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Author. Coder. CTO. θηριομάχης. Building: https://nitter.gq/t.co/otXT4Wy6WR. Writing: https://nitter.gq/t.co/dBPBtyCIHw.

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Joined July 2008
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All the blackpilling on my TL has me worried some of you will turn into preppers, so here's a get-it-over-with list by a former hardcore prepper that'll let you scratch that itch then move on with your life.
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People are always shocked that Jensen flies commercial like a plebe, but the dude knows math so it makes sense.
Reminder that flying in a chartered jet is 9x more deadly than flying in a commercial aircraft and flying in a privately owned jet can be as 50x more deadly than a commercial aircraft. General aviation pistons (ie Cessna) are 200x more deadly that commercial aircraft and are as risky as motorcycles. There are 2-3 fatal accidents involving an airplane every single week. I’m a pilot and know that I am taking a substantial risk every time I go up. Almost every pilot I know with more than a few hundred hours has a story of a close call that almost ended it all. It’s a risk we all are aware of and accept. The most common cause for fatal accidents involves weather. Unfortunately, there is nothing unusual about the accident. It involved icing + thunderstorms, a deadly combo.
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No, and shame on @tszzl for RTing this garbage claim. The paper in question is a pre-LLM-era paper that only works under 2 assumptions: 1) the agents are totally described by their source code, 2) their utility functions are legible in the source.
One reason @ESYudkowsky believes that powerful AIs may be able to cooperate in one-shot prisoner dilemas is because **he literally proved** that this is possible in general for two different AI systems as long as they can both read each other's source code (paper: arxiv.org/pdf/1401.5577),
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Neither of these assumptions holds for LLM agents -- they only hold for the theoretical fictional agents that Yud et al invented for everyone to be scared of. I mean seriously why are people wasting time on these arguments that the doomers themselves are no longer making?!
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My baseline scenario for the banks and the cyberpocalypse is the following: Unlike crypto exchanges, you can't really steal money from the banks electronically. All you can do is vandalize Foreign enemies don't want to vandalize b/c it would hurt them, too, although if one goes "dead hand" all bets are off I guess This leaves randos who just want to watch the world burn... probably they will try to vandalize for lulz or ideologically reasons Whether they succeed or not depends on how fast we can harden banking infra I'm not optimistic, but also I'm confident our very best are on the case so maybe there's hope If the vandalism succeeds, and a lot of accounts get wiped or messed with, there are backups of backups of backups, in vaults under mountains on magnetic tape and so on. All that stuff WILL come back eventually, but it'll take a bit This is why you need to have ~3 weeks of supplies. No money would move while they basically restore the financial system from backups + harden it so it doesn't just get rooted again I am confident that making sure the above doesn't happen is the #1 priority of our best & brightest right now. I am not confident they'll succeed in time to prevent some randos or some dead-hand action from taking out the banking system, but I am hopeful. I am confident that if the banking system gets hit, we will restore all balances and positions from backups eventually I am not confident that it would only be three weeks, but am hopeful we could do it in that amount of time because, again, best + brightest & so on
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re: backups, the financial industry has taken this cyberpocalypse stuff very seriously for a very long time. They are not playing around here latimes.com/business/la-fi-4…
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re: 3 weeks of supplies, start here: nitter.gq/jon_stokes/status/2115…
All the blackpilling on my TL has me worried some of you will turn into preppers, so here's a get-it-over-with list by a former hardcore prepper that'll let you scratch that itch then move on with your life.
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As AI labs race toward Recursive Self Improvement, there’s a possibility that what they are actually racing toward is Recursive Self Extinction — of their business model. Here’s my reasoning. 1. Progress on verifiable tasks continues. In particular, improving the cost efficiency of existing capabilities is a highly verifiable task. For the past few years, cost per equivalent capability has dropped by at least 10x per year. I think this progress will be sustained for a few more years, and even accelerate as labs use AI more and more heavily for AI research in the pursuit of RSI. There is of course a ceiling to efficiency improvements, but I don’t think we’re close to that ceiling. 2. Progress on most unverifiable tasks remains frustratingly hard. AI inherits the same limitations (ambiguous success criteria, slow and noisy feedback) that limit human performance at tasks ranging from writing to governance. The optimization paradigm generally doesn’t result in superhuman capabilities on such tasks, because whatever proxy you optimize for gets Goodharted. For example, I recently pointed out how over-optimization explains Claude’s overly dense and ornamental writing style that’s since been dialed back. 3. RSI ends up being narrow. A consequence of the above two points — even if some version of RSI is achieved, it results in an explosion in some dimensions (efficiency, verifiable tasks) while falling short of producing something that is superintelligent in any real sense or capable of automating a broad swath of jobs in the economy. 4. More than one lab stays at the frontier. This means the market will remain competitive, and developers can’t charge high margins to compensate for rapidly falling inference prices. Any compute scarcity that allows higher margins is temporary, in my view. I also think it’s likely that most of the innovations continue to make their way into open-weight models with some lag, so open-weight models are at cost parity for inference or only slightly more expensive. Note that efficiency tricks and verifiable capabilities tend to leak much faster than unverifiable ones. Distillation could be one reason, but simply knowing that something can be sped up 10x tends to have a focusing effect on research and innovation. 5. Jevons’ paradox is not a magic bullet. If the above points hold, there are very few applications that will consume so many tokens that they could generate the astronomical amounts of revenue implied by the labs’ valuations. We’re talking about a 10x growth in tokens year after year, just to keep revenue flat given falling prices. Even today’s behemoth tasks like migration of million-line legacy codebases will likely become cheap within a few years. While new applications will open up, there won’t be orders of magnitude more new ones. As for unverifiable tasks, inference scaling rapidly hits diminishing returns. Ultimately you have to have a human in the loop who’s accountable for the result. Spending more on tokens doesn’t let customers escape that responsibility — and only makes the human review bottleneck worse. 6. What about scientific research? Science is an endless frontier, and more tokens could perpetually mean more discoveries and inventions, in theory. But the unfortunate thing about research is that researchers don’t get to capture the value it creates, which is why it requires government funding in the first place. Even if it’s true that AI could enable great scientific innovations, I don’t think AI companies will make much money off of that. I think they are currently investing in AI-for-science not as a future revenue stream but as a loss leader because they want to show the public that it could be beneficial to humanity. 7. The one escape hatch is moving “up the stack”, by which I mean quickly transitioning from selling tokens to an enterprise software like model that relies on high switching costs, deep integration into workflows, and control over systems of record. In this world, enterprises will purchase “digital workers” or pay per solution (e.g. resolved support ticket) rather than tokens, so it’s good or neutral for AI companies if inference costs fall. And open models don’t matter as much — Linux being free didn’t make most enterprises switch away from Windows, because they paid for polish, peace of mind, support, and familiarity, not the code itself. I think this is the labs’ best bet for becoming sustainable businesses (though the potential lock-in is concerning for their customers!). The problem is that the labs have many hurdles to clear to get there, most of all their mindset, and the faster they race toward RSI, the shorter the window they give themselves for this transition. The pure-play AI labs are the ones who are farthest from being able to make this transition, and AI companies with a long history in enterprise software are relatively well positioned. In short, the race to RSI ends up being a race to eliminate the labs’ main avenue for capturing the value that they create — the fate of many past transformative technologies such as railroads, airlines, and fiber. The labs’ bet is that RSI produces a durable, decisive lead that escapes commoditization. My view is that there are two different improvement loops that have been conflated, and they will come apart. The efficiency improvement loop will accelerate, but a broader improvement loop that might lead to AGI or superintelligence will require ever-increasing amounts of compute, talent, data, and real-world feedback that can only come from gradual deployment, and the money to fund all this will have to come from massive revenue growth. And the irony is that the first improvement loop is undermining exactly that revenue growth. The premise in my chain of reasoning that I’m least confident in is #5 — that Jevons’ paradox will eventually stop being able to compensate for efficiency improvements. A few months ago I was much more of a believer in continued, nearly unbounded token volume growth, but the more I’ve thought about it the more skeptical I’ve become. To better understand why the premises and outcome I've laid out are at least a possibility: * My AI-as-normal-technology essay and follow-up writings with @sayashk on our newsletter normaltech.ai/ * My ICML talk laying out my skepticism of the claim that RSI will lead to superintelligence normaltech.ai/p/what-will-be… * Ramez Naam’s review of the evidence questioning the prospects of an intelligence explosion (@ramez) noahpinion.blog/p/wheres-the… * My piece with Akash Kapur (@akashkapur) on whether AI labs will move up the stack normaltech.ai/p/up-the-stack… * Many pieces by Nathan Lambert (@natolambert) such as “I expect rapid progress but not towards general superintelligence.”
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Doing a security audit of my LAN hardware (a week too late, but still) with Astra and have uncovered that for the older Ubiquiti ToughSwitch Pro firmware I'm running, that firmware truncates admin passwords to 8 chars regardless of what you put in. 🤡 We're all so screwed lol
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I'm Incredibly excited to be joining @Cloudflare today as SVP of Emerging Technology. I’ll be leading ETI, Cloudflare’s skunkworks, working with the ridiculously talented and ambitious team there to build Cloudflare’s next generation of products and businesses. The mandate for ETI is to look beyond the core business today, make ambitious bets on what will matter tomorrow, and turn those bets into businesses that shape the company’s future. I’ve long believed that open and free access is one of the most powerful forces we have for creativity, competition, connection, and opportunity. Open source software, open models, and access to knowledge give more people the ability to build—and an open Internet lets them reach the world. But keeping the web open means constantly pushing back against walled gardens and gatekeepers. As AI changes how people find information, use software, and interact with each other, preserving that access becomes even more consequential. Cloudflare is uniquely positioned to protect the open web and has a long history of doing so. We saw it again two weeks ago: when the php2shell vulnerabilities hit PHP, which runs almost 70% of the web, Cloudflare had protections live before the flaws were even public, automatically, for every site behind it, including the ones on the free plan. That independent global network puts powerful capabilities in the hands of builders everywhere. On Cloudflare’s developer platform, you don’t pick a region: every service runs in every data center, in nearly 350 cities around the world. And it’s backed by a culture of experimentation and shipping that I’ve admired for years. The team consistently turns ambitious technical ideas into things people can actually use. I’ve been a Cloudflare user for over a decade, and today it’s where I build and run my own projects, from a website for a friend’s barbecue restaurant to the infrastructure behind my home network. I’ve experienced firsthand how much it makes possible. From Stack Overflow to Stacks to investing in and advising founders, I’ve always loved building things that help people build things. The common thread is giving more people access to the tools, knowledge, and infrastructure to build on their own terms. I love working with people who see what’s possible, giving them the room to pursue it, and building the teams and businesses that make it real. At Cloudflare, I get to bring those things together at an extraordinary scale, in service of a mission I deeply believe in: helping build a better Internet. There’s a lot to build. I’d love to hear what you think we should take on. And if you want to come work on it, DMs are open.
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So @Ubuntu still hasn't patched this open hole on any Ubuntu server on the public internet that lets anyone take it over We might just have to switch all our servers over to Debian in this new post-AGI time of rapid cybersecurity hacks which require just as rapid patching Slowpokes will be left behind chalmovsky.com/posts/wtf-ubu…
This is why I said you want your VPS ports all closed Then only let it be accessible inside your Tailscale for SSH and via a Cloudflare Tunnel to receive web traffic Any Linux box can be taken over with just a single TCP port exposed to the internet now A stop gap is disabling MPTCP on your VPS now but even better is not having any public ports exposed!
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My home state!
This is not normal what is happening in Louisiana right now. $300+ Billion in the project pipeline.... $100B – SpaceX Starbase LA (Planned) $50B – Meta Hyperion AI Data Center (Under Construction) $18B – Venture Global Plaquemines LNG Expansion (Planned) $18B – Amazon Multi-Site AI Data Centers (Under Construction) $18B – Argent LNG (Planned) $18B – Woodside LNG (Under Construction) $15B – Venture Global CP2 LNG (Under Construction) $13B – Entergy Energy Buildout for Meta (Planned) $10B – Commonwealth LNG (Under Construction) $10B – Hut 8 AI Data Center (Under Construction) $10B – Cameron LNG Expansion (Planned) $8B – Ascencion Carbon Ammonia (Planned) $6B – Hyundai Steel Mill (Under Construction) $4B – Applied Digital AI Data Center (Under Construction) $4B – CF Industries Ammonia Plant (Under Construction) $4B – Lake Charles Methanol II (Planned) $3B – Shintech Petrochemical Expansion (Planned) $3B – DG Fuels Synthetic Chemicals (Planned) $3B – Louisiana International Terminal (Planned)
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Amazing. Scott's "Against SURA" essay on LW is a blow-by-blow recapitulation of Vladimir Lenin's sublimely-entitled 1920 essay "Left-Wing Communism: an Infantile Disorder". I don't believe Scott plagiarized one bit, either. Pure convergent evolution under the constraints of vanguardism. *Both* essays explore the moral and strategic implications of pacing versus abandoning the frontier. *Both* discuss the question of whether "evil" attaches to those working inside the institutions of the old world with an aim to subvert it. Both chastise zealot adherents of the movement for undermining its strategic goals through, essentially, Leeroy-Jenkins-ing the politics. Lenin: "To refuse to work in the reactionary trade unions means leaving the insufficiently developed or backward masses of workers under the influence of the reactionary leaders" vs. Scott: "I question the assumption that good people dare not touch the concentrations of power at frontier AI companies because they will be corrupted before they can do good work. History is full of examples of people at these companies deciding they didn't like something, then quitting or changing it at great cost to themselves....We aren't the first people to face these questions. Anyone who cares about any cause has had to decide whether to pursue it as a lone voice crying in the wilderness, or as a part of some powerful organization. Some people run for office (government is hardly known for not corrupting its participants!) Others become activists in a mass movement (activism is hardly known for being a paradise of epistemic virtue!) Still others join big NGOs or academia (...) A few start companies, trying to prove they can do things the right way. Most progress has come from people like Frodo who understood the risks of these paths but did them anyway." This is hilarious. I've previously written about the spiritual correspondence of the EAs and the Bolsheviks, but even I'm dumbfounded by the *play for play* recapitulation of *core essays* in both camps, argument-for-argument. Amazing. Read both essays. Both are well-written! Neither Scott nor Lenin is an idiot. But read them with the wisdom of history in mind. marxists.org/archive/lenin/w… lesswrong.com/posts/xikGZ8fu…
i feel for scott alexandr but his cowardice in not ripping off the band-aid and realising what the moment he spearheaded really was means he deserves all his coming disillusions. (if he is acting in good faith. if instead im witnessing a power struggle, go git 'em everyone)
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This is outstanding
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I have a pretty high tolerance for AI-generated LOTR slop on FB, but this is pushing it.
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Just got a phishing email that Gmail authenticated as Google. DKIM/DMARC passed. I can see a lot of people falling for this one, since it plays to the idea that your account has already been compromised. Scammer puts the scam in an app-password name, triggers a real Google alert, then forwards the alert email to your email address. How this attack works, and why it’s convincing: 1. The trick: The attacker puts the threatening text and shortened URL into an app password’s customizable name on another account. Google incorporates that text into a real security notification and signs the email. 2. The delivery: That notification is forwarded through another mailbox to the victim. In this message, Gmail still recorded passing Google DKIM and DMARC authentication. 3. What makes it convincing: The Google sender, signature, branding, and “Check activity” button are legitimate. The suspected attacker-supplied text appears inside the same trusted-looking template, using a deadline to push you toward its separate link. 4. The giveaway: Both the notification and its genuine Google button refer to someone else’s account. The “permanent access after 24 hours” claim is false; app passwords can be revoked. Be careful out there folks!
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🇵🇱 For a comprehensive and NEUTRAL overview of the Polish Constitutional Crisis, see below. I've put it outside the paywall. It's based on the X spaces I held earlier this morning. For transparency, the intro is human-written; the rest is an AI-assisted summary of our discussion. 👇🇵🇱 mindtheblindspot.substack.co…
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This diagram got me much closer to real life: The universe has a tax on deliberation. Rationality collapses into "just do things" quickly. In a live environment, thinking is not free; every extra second spent optimizing carries opportunity cost, the cost of delay. So while additional reflection has marginal benefits in an abstract, costless world, once you factor in delay, the net value of further thinking peaks—and then drops—quickly. Figure 2B captures this as a direct order with an exclamation mark; there is a moment when the right move is to "Stop thinking and act now!".
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