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A TRANS WOMAN TELLS MATT WALSH HE’S “100% CORRECT” ON GENDER IDENTITY, PRONOUNS, AND JOHN MONEY—BUT COMPLETELY REJECTS HIS CONCLUSION. WALSH’S RESPONSE? “WHAT ARE THE OTHER CATEGORIES, IF NOT MALE AND FEMALE?” THE EXCHANGE TAKES AN UNEXPECTED TURN. Male Audience: Everything you’ve said about gender identity, gender expression, John Money, pronoun usage, and the sex/gender distinction—you are 100% correct. Matt Walsh: Wow. Male Audience: I identify as a trans woman, and you are 100% correct on all of that. It’s an absolute travesty that the trans community bases everything on such vacuous concepts. But I disagree with your conclusion. And my disagreement is less about argumentation and more about method. You’ve said your approach is to keep things simple and uncomplicated, without engaging with the nuance of trans people’s positions. But that’s exactly how my organization treats you. They dismiss your arguments because they label you a transphobe. Matt Walsh: So which conclusion do you disagree with? Male Audience: Your model of gender—that there are only men and women, biologically contingent. Do you really think resorting to simplicity, when this is the most dire issue of the age, is the right approach? Matt Walsh: Yes. I think making it simple is the right approach because, to my view, it’s a very simple question. If my child came to me confused about their identity, I wouldn’t just say, “Get out of my face.” I’d sit down and talk to them. That’s an interpersonal exchange, and there are personal nuances. But the underlying reality is simple: There are only males and females in the human race. There are no other categories. There is no third sex. Male Audience: Even if you believe there’s only this binary, there are complexities and nuances within social navigation that might be worth looking into. And some of your facts are off. The first sex reassignment surgery actually happened in the 1920s, before John Money. Matt Walsh: Well, I didn’t say his was the first. It was probably the first one done on a two-year-old, but I said he was the one who invented— We started by saying you agree with everything I said, and now we’re going back and you disagree. I’m a little confused. Male Audience: My point is, if you can arrive at a different conclusion from the same arguments, there might be something deeper going on here that people who are actually philosophers, not rhetoricians, need to be dealing with. Matt Walsh: Do you agree that there are only males and females in the human race? Male Audience: No. Matt Walsh: Okay, so you definitely don’t agree with my conclusion at all. We actually are totally on opposite sides of this question. What are the other categories, if not male and female? Male Audience: We’re going to be here all night… Matt Walsh: We’re not, because there’s none that you can list, so it’s actually a very short conversation. Male Audience: Well, you’re wanting to say that you have these other social categories, right?