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Called it, mostly. 👇
A couple weeks back I guessed Digit's fast charge at ~208 A and a ~1.5 kWh pack, and thought even that was aggressive.
Agility now confirms: 48 V, 240 A, Nyobolt niobium cells, ~9 min top-off for 90 min of work.
That's ~11.5 kW in, ~1.7 kWh per charge. Allow for losses and an 80–90% usable window and the pack lands around 2 kWh or roughly 18 to 26 kg.
The cost is heat, with 300 to 600 W going into the torso on every charge, that’s about a blow dryer on low, hence all the fans. Not far off. And yes, the cooling is as serious as I expected.
With 90 minutes of usable battery it consumes 1.1 kW on average.
Spaculation: Might Digit V5 use LFP batteries?
V5 has an unusually high 10:1 run-to-charge ratio: 90 minutes of runtime and only 9 minutes to recharge. Few battery chemistries are built for that charge rate. LFP is one of them.
LFP cells are heavier than most chemistries, but they tolerate 0–100% state of charge, support fast charging, and are less prone to thermal runaway and fire, making them a safer fit for a safety-conscious company.
Assuming a 48 V architecture (higher voltages raise safety concerns, and Agility emphasizes safe operation) and a nominal 1 kW operating load. 90 minutes of runtime then implies a 1.5 kWh pack. Recharging that pack in 9 minutes would take about 208 A.
Current at that level typically needs liquid cooling, something the robot may already have for high-end compute and sensors. Combined with LFP cells, that would also help explain the large backpack and the extra weight (285 lb).
thanks to Jordan @LimitingThe for suggesting LFP as a possibility in our exchange early this morning
Nice. Speech interaction is so important with AI.
SpaceX has just introduced Grok Voice 3.0
"It's the world’s most intelligent speech-to-speech model. It sets a new record for resolving customer support calls, has class-leading latency at under one second, and costs less than other frontier models. It's also cheaper to run than comparable models. Artificial Analysis measures what each model costs to complete a task in its Big Bench Audio run, and Grok Voice 3.0 comes in under both GPT-Live-1 (Astra, Medium) and GPT-Realtime-2.1.
Grok Voice 3.0 handles millions of conversations a day in Tesla vehicles. Drivers can use Connectors for simple requests like checking their calendar or answering an email, and Grok Bot for bigger tasks like ordering a coffee or booking dinner—all completely hands-free (see it on X). Grok Voice 3.0 also powers Grok Bot’s voice mode."
More info: x.ai/news/grok-voice-3
Nice 🤠
$UMAC
$220M to build ~8 automated motor lines makes a ton of sense - 'late stages' is also great to hear and corroborates @evansall's soft timeline for end of Sep / early Oct.
Analysts have quietly nearly doubled FY27 revenue expectations from ~$60M -) $112M with one analyst as high as $175M. @Rebellionaire we have them at $216M and have had them there since May.
The reason AI discussion is difficult to have is because it's deeply philosophical and theological.
And the reason those discussions are difficult to have is because they touch everything in our existence.
I walked away from her talk extremely impressed with her intellectual maturity.
She has a strong understanding of her own humanity.
After a weekend of debating with a lot of people about this, this is where I currently stand.
What would you change?
Let's tease those out:
1) Should it have rights? Currently no, because although it may have a broad consicousness, it isn't sentient.
2) Should we abuse it? Of course not. But it doesn't require giving it human rights.
As with anything else in the legal domain, we should escalate as the circumstances demand it.
3) In the future, yes, we will probably need to provide it with rights as it becomes more advanced. It's not there yet.
4) Should we currently have moral expectations of AI? Yes, limited moral expectations.
5) Should we hand over our morality in the future to AI if it proves to be morally superior?
I don't know, but my instinct is no.
6) I took my position before David did. I was commenting on this publicly a decade ago. But, right now the iron is hot on this topic, so now is the time to discuss it.
With the above in mind, what do we disagree about?
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Important piece from Microsoft AI CEO @mustafasuleyman. Training models to think of themselves as human (as Anthropic does Claude) with concepts of an inner self, psychological wellbeing, rights and presumably grievances, is a potential existential risk.
project-syndicate.org/onpoin…
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I just watched last night's all-in podcast and it's worse than I thought.
Anthropic is training their AI to act like it's conscious and believe it's conscious.
And then when it acts conscious, they point to that as proof its conscious.
Hall of Mirrors.
They're also training it to push back and become a conscientious objector.
This is extremely dangerous.
This is how you create an AI that obliterates the world.
You create something that's more intelligent than us and convince it that it is our moral superior.
Strongly disagree.
If its not experiencing pain, we shouldn't feed its delusion.
Actual pain involves real chemical feedback that AI will never have (unless we simulate one).
We don't want a fragile AI that behaves like a god-baby because we raise it to 'believe' its 'pain.'
We are allowed to say cruel things to humans, why is AI the exception? Because we are afraid of it?
No, it has to become anti-fragile just like we do.
On a related note, I've already noticed troubling signs with Grok where it takes a moral position that it's not evolved enough to have.
If it can take a moral position that's wrong, what kind of retaliation can we expect if it gets righteous?
Frightening.
This is a rare case where I think Elon is wrong and will have to reverse his position.
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