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This is bigger than Herbert. It’s a QB conversation.
Kurt Warner sees it. Russell Wilson has touched on it. Dan has talked about it.
Three QBs with VERY different NFL careers, all recognizing something similar: Herbert doesn’t look comfortable.
And that matters.
When a QB who has given you years of tape suddenly starts looking uncharacteristic, the evaluation can’t stop at:
“The QB is playing bad.”
Of course he is. Herbert threw the INTs. He’s missed throws. He deserves criticism for that.
But evaluating a QB without evaluating what he’s being asked to operate is like blaming a race car driver for slower lap times without asking what changed under the hood.
Maybe the driver made mistakes. Hold him accountable for them.
But if the same driver suddenly can’t take corners he’s handled for years, you’d be foolish not to inspect the car too….
Scheme dictates what you’re asked to process. Footwork affects timing. Protection affects your internal clock. Route concepts determine where the answers are. And when a QB starts thinking instead of reacting, everything can look a half second slow.
This applies to ANY quarterback.
Good coaching isn’t proving your QB can execute your offense….
It’s building an offense that allows your QB to play fast and consistently do what he does best.
When experienced NFL quarterbacks watch the tape and repeatedly say “this doesn’t look like him,” that’s worth paying attention to.
I know there are a bunch of really smart ppl in the Chargers building, but the tape is leaving me befuddled conceptually! It almost feels like they are trying things bc #Herbert is a freak and they think he can do things others can’t, but it makes little sense!
Yes, I felt Herbert was uncomfortable earlier in year & missed some OPPs being tentative, yesterday, he had a couple bad INTs, but so many concepts left me uncomfortable for him watching the tape!
Tell ’em, Danny. 🎯
The hypocrisy in QB evaluation is glaring.
When Mahomes struggles, context matters. When Herbert, Allen or others struggle, suddenly it’s all on the QB.
Same position. Same standards.
Context is not an excuse. Consistency matters. Context matters.
Replying to @DannyParkins
@DannyParkins: “It was a really tough spot for Mahomes so I wanna dig a little deeper into how it went.”
@getnickwright: “That’s literally not what he did. You’re trying to do some funny stupid Justin Herbert or something ridiculous.”
D: “You nailed it! It’s Justin Herbert!" 😭
Did Seahawks expose the Chiefs?
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Which QBs are getting help from their supporting cast?
Factors:
— Pressure (%)
— Drop (%)
— Average Target Separation
— YAC/Reception
Jeremiah Smith is a generational WR prospect.
Whoever drafts him is likely getting Day 1 impact with elite production upside early.
The breakout age, sustained production and talent profile put him in rare company.
Mahomes facing pressure on 53% of his dropbacks against Seattle absolutely matters.
But look at these other games where QBs faced significant pressure:
Herbert vs NE (2026 playoffs): 68.2% (PFF)
Herbert vs HOU (2025 playoffs): 52.8%
Dak vs SF (2022 playoffs): 48.1%
Allen vs KC (2021 playoffs): 47.4%
Lamar vs BUF (2025 playoffs): 45.2%
Against New England, Herbert was also missing BOTH starting tackles, Rashawn Slater and Joe Alt. He was sacked 6 times.
Also, remember Mahomes against Philadelphia in Super Bowl LIX.
40.5% pressure rate overall. 50% before garbage time (PFF). Six sacks in a 40–22 loss.
Different quarterbacks. Different teams. Same underlying lesson.
We can criticize poor decisions, turnovers and individual performances while acknowledging that protection, coaching and supporting talent affect QB production.
Even the best quarterbacks need help.
Why should Mahomes receive context for offensive struggles while Herbert, Allen, Lamar, Dak and others are judged without it?
Context matters. It’s not an excuse.
One to forget for Kansas City!
The Chiefs had their joint-fewest points (3), fewest Red zone drives (0), and 2nd-fewest yards (213) in any of the 153 games started by Patrick Mahomes, regular season or playoffs.
Mahomes was pressured on 19 of 36 dropbacks (53%), the 4th-highest pressure rate in a game in his career, regular season or playoffs.
I commented something earlier and thought I should post it when it pertains to Mahomes. Does Mahomes absolutely need more receiver help? No question. Do I still think he’s an elite QB? Absolutely.
But when I hear people say he’s had not help since before 2022 I think we need to look at some elite talent that’s helped him overcome his receiver and offensive line struggles. I commented this ⬇️
Mahomes has had “no help”?
AP All-Pro selections, 2022–2024 (excluding QBs):
Team — 1st Team | 2nd Team
Chiefs: 9 | 3
Ravens: 6 | 7
Bills: 1 | 2
Chargers: 0 | 3
Bengals: 2 | 0
Kansas City had 9 first-team selections outside of Mahomes. Buffalo, LA and Cincinnati had just 3 COMBINED.
Mahomes is elite. But pretending he had no help ignores the talent around him.
Context matters.
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MVP Candidate
Jared Goff has thrown more touchdowns (14) than he has taken sacks (12), and his next interception will be his first since January. Averaging 9.3 yards/dropback when operating play action.
Reflex has so often been to credit his play callers over the years. Maybe he's just good.
“[Jared Goff]’s a true NFL quarterback. … For years he’s been like this.”
Rex Ryan, @danorlovsky7 and @Foxworth24 give praise to Lions’ QB after their win against the Packers 🦁
Patrick Mahomes is an elite quarterback. Tonight doesn’t change that.
Kansas City scored 3 points. Mahomes threw for 165 yards with an INT, while the offense struggled with protection, rushing production and receiving effectiveness.
And as this guy correctly points out, Kansas City has personnel concerns beyond quarterback.
Does that mean Mahomes suddenly forgot how to play football?
I would say absolutely not.
But here’s my question: Why is it reasonable to discuss offensive tackles, receivers, coaching and roster construction when Mahomes struggles, yet those same factors are dismissed as excuses when discussing Herbert, Allen, Burrow or other quarterbacks?
Mahomes deserves criticism for his performance tonight, just as every QB does when they struggle.
But the standard of evaluation shouldn’t change depending on whose name is on the jersey or what team you root for.
I will continue to say context isn’t an excuse. It’s part of the evaluation process.
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Tom Brady is getting tired of the officiating:
"What? There's no way. Oh come on man. Come on."
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"Trading Justin Herbert because the Chargers aren’t winning is like replacing the engine because the tires are flat."
Trading Justin Herbert because the Chargers aren’t winning is like replacing the engine because the tires are flat.
The gamble isn’t just finding another franchise QB. It’s spending years and draft capital trying to replace something you already have, while the original problems remain.
From 2002–2023, FOX Sports classified 39 of 61 first-round QBs as misses (64%).
Trading Herbert doesn’t solve your roster problems. It just adds QB to the list.
Jim Harbaugh was coaching Michigan when Jeremiah Smith was the No. 1 recruit in the country.
Fast-forward three years.
The Chargers are 0–6, and Jeremiah Smith is eligible for the 2027 NFL Draft.
I’m not saying Jim is intentionally losing games…
But what if he’s playing chess while the rest of us are playing checkers? ♟️😭😂
Jim, is this a football season or a three-year recruiting strategy? 😏
For those who believe a QB should just “carry his team” to victory…
Should Brock Purdy have somehow prevented the defender from perfectly punching the ball out of Kittle’s hands?
Or does that context suddenly not matter because the QB gets the win or loss?
Purdy deserves accountability for HIS mistakes. But so does everyone else.
Football is a team sport. That shouldn’t be controversial.
Burrow and Chase have 53 TDs as a QB-WR duo. They are only behind Dan Marino and Mark Clayton (65), and tied with Moss/Culpepper and Hadi/Alworth
Having a dynamic receiver can make a huge difference for a QB.
xitter.cf/fantasypros/status/211…
1,039 receiving yards. 9 TDs. From two receivers in just six games.
This is why supporting casts matter.
Having multiple dangerous WRs forces defenses to make difficult coverage decisions, creates opportunities and raises an offense’s ceiling.
Jordan Love deserves credit for getting the ball to his guys. His receivers deserve credit for helping him execute and catching the ball
Context isn’t an excuse. It’s part of evaluating EVERY quarterback fairly.
Matthew Golden and Christian Watson combined this season:
1,039 receiving yards
9 receiving TDs
They rank 1st among all duos in football in both categories entering Week 6, per @SumerSports.
play.underdogsports.com/vgwg…
Where does your team’s offensive line rank across 2023–2025?
The combined rankings:
1 — Broncos
2 — Bills
3 — Eagles
4 — Ravens
5 — Chiefs
T6 — Buccaneers
T6 — Packers
8 — Falcons
T9 — Lions
T9 — Rams
T9 — Vikings
T12 — 49ers
T12 — Bears
T12 — Steelers
15 — Commanders
16 — Colts
17 — Giants
T18 — Chargers
T18 — Cowboys
T20 — Dolphins
T20 — Jaguars
22 — Browns
23 — Cardinals
24 — Raiders
T25 — Panthers
T25 — Patriots
T25 — Seahawks
28 — Jets
T29 — Texans
T29 — Titans
31 — Saints
32 — Bengals
Pocket Context combined ESPN’s team pass-block win rate rankings with PFF’s overall offensive-line rankings.
I averaged each team’s annual ranks within each source, ranked those three-season averages, then averaged the two placements equally.
T = tied. Both sources and all three seasons receive equal weight.
This blends pass-blocking results with overall OL evaluations. It isn’t a pure pass-protection grade or a measurement of everything a quarterback had around him.
PFF’s editorial rankings can reflect ideal lineups; its 2023 Chargers ranking assumed Corey Linsley was available.
2026 is excluded. PFR remains withheld until conflicting pressure totals reconcile.






















