Hart Ponder Jr

Name calling is just a low IQ response. A wolf? Interesting accusation, especially when your own Protestant Reformers disagree with you! Martin Luther, Huldrych Zwingli, and John Wesley all defended Mary’s perpetual virginity. Luther even taught that Mary bore no other children (Luther’s Works, 22:214–215). Wesley affirmed the same in A Letter to a Roman Catholic (1749). Now show me where Scripture says Mary sinned by remaining a virgin. 1 Corinthians 7 does not say that. You’re turning your assumptions about Mary’s marriage into divine commandments. Perhaps study your own Protestant heritage before accusing others of ignorance!

@LGLDSR71 you got a lot to learn!

All you seem to do is accuse people of being Satan’s children rather than engage Scripture. Even respected Protestant scholarship disagrees with you! The evangelical NET Bible, in its commentary on Leviticus 12:7, explicitly explains that childbirth involved no personal moral sin and specifically references Mary’s purification. Even Martin Luther recognized that Mary submitted to the Law without personally needing purification. Perhaps consult your own Protestant sources before condemning fellow Christians. Calling people Satan’s children is no substitute for sound biblical exegesis.

Are you a Protestant robot? Let’s see what your own Protestant scholars teach! The evangelical NET Bible explicitly explains that the purification offering in Leviticus 12 did not mean a mother had committed a moral sin, and specifically references Mary. Even Martin Luther taught that Mary submitted to purification without personally needing it. As for your colorful speculation about Mary’s marital relations, where exactly does Scripture say Mary and Joseph had sexual relations or that Jesus’ brothers and sisters were Mary’s biological children? Chapter and verse, please! You’re confusing speculation with Scripture and ritual purification with moral guilt. Even your own Protestant sources contradict you!

2/ Even Protestant scholarship refutes your interpretation! The evangelical NET Bible explicitly states that childbirth involved no moral sin and specifically cites Mary’s offering as an example. Even Martin Luther recognized that Mary’s purification did not establish her sinfulness. So this isn’t simply Catholic teaching, it’s sound biblical exegesis. Read Leviticus 12:7: “She will be clean,” not “she will be forgiven.”

Let’s examine legitimate protestant scholarship! The evangelical NET Bible explicitly states that childbirth involved no moral sin and specifically cites Mary’s offering as an example. Even Martin Luther recognized that Mary’s purification did not establish her sinfulness. So this isn’t simply Catholic teaching, it’s sound biblical exegesis. Read Leviticus 12:7: “She will be clean,” not “she will be forgiven.”

You’re wrong again, even after a fact-check! Leviticus 12 concerns ritual purification after childbirth, not personal moral sin. The Law required this offering of every mother, regardless of personal guilt. Even the birth of a daughter required purification (Lev. 12:5). You keep quoting the name of the offering while ignoring its purpose. Ritual uncleanness is not moral sin. Words mean things, and context matters!

@grok Fact check this claim using Scripture and the historical context of Mosaic Law: “Mary was a sinner because she offered TWO birds under Luke 2:24 and Leviticus 12:8 one burnt offering and one sin offering.” Does Leviticus 12:2–8 establish personal moral guilt or ritual uncleanness following childbirth? Was this purification required of Israelite mothers regardless of whether they had personally sinned? Compare Leviticus 12:2–8, Luke 2:22–24, Luke 1:28, Luke 1:42–43, and Galatians 4:4. Most importantly, does the biblical designation “sin offering” prove Mary personally committed sin, or is that a theological conclusion the passage itself never establishes? Give a strictly biblical, historically accurate verdict distinguishing what Scripture explicitly states from what is being inferred.

“ ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ.”