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deep learning and large language models. football (banter) fan. 19. prev: research intern at https://nitter.gq/t.co/Uyagq8HNqO

Mumbai, India.
Joined October 2019
In Sept 2024, o1 surprised many purists who thought inference-time scaling for LLMs was through MCTS. What if a connection exists, just implicit? What does it imply? New post: "Squint enough and RLing CoT reasoners is approximable as Monte Carlo Tree Search policy learning." 🧵
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glimpses of the future
Aware is (basically) a browser we're building to explore personal computing and generative, malleable software. it keeps a footprint of the materials (pages, files) as a graph in a relational database stored locally. Been writing my paper in my own latex editor inside Aware. It's very satisfying when software fixes itself and fetches its own context and attach them to the right parts. The editor is an experiment of "interface as a skill": the editor's code and its skill live in the paper's repo, so the same agent that knows my code and data also lives in the editor. So i get: 1. an interface i can reprogram any part anytime (aesthetics i like, and the scratch pad i always wanted) 2. an agent living in the editor, with the whole project as context (a figure links to the dashboard, built from the real analysis code that made it) (though i have to admit, some of my focused writing time now goes to wanting to tweak the editor instead)
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All the thonk-bois high on their own thought, writing forecasts (often super negative and dystopian ones), must remember, however logically plausible or agreeable those forecasts may be, that these are times when even writing should have empathy for the masses and a general texture of sobriety. A doctor can’t say “hey, you have cancer” and just walk out of the room. Nobody’s asking the doctor to lie about the diagnosis. If they believe it’s true, say it, and say it plainly. Then stay in the room, put a hand on the shoulder, and talk about what can be done next. Writing “displacement is coming, everyone will lose their jobs, but this must happen anyway, the line must go up, it’s some great fundamental law of nature” is like the doctor delivering the diagnosis, adding that treatment is pointless because it’s all the natural order of things, and then leaving. Dressing up inevitability as wisdom (thinking it's some sigma alpha thonk-boi hardass moment) is just corrosive and distasteful. Be as bleak as the evidence warrants (or as much as you want to be). But these are times when one should write like the people most affected in your forecasts are reading it, because they probably are, and doom-prophecies just by themselves help very little (only reflect poorly on you).
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I strongly dislike this line of thought, and it's in bad taste. Just the posturing, not the forecasting itself, which may be logically reasonable. IMO just too much "xyz sad + bad inevitable thing will happen and we have no control over it, well here's how you can get rich from it tho lol". This applies to a lot of posts high on their own thonkism. - A huge share of talk (not just this post) prophesies in absolute terms and assumes we have no agency over how things play out. - "the line must go up", "it is unavoidable", etc. No, it is not. - The tone itself is unnecessarily triumphant: "Rejoice," "there is deliverance for those who dare." Brother in thonkism, deliverance for whom? Why the hell would you say "the benefits of abundant intelligence will accrue FAR outside SF"? - They describe the K-shape, the inequality, the displacement. Okay FINE. Do they show any remorse, any contempt for that future? Barely. A few flickers only. - ending is also hellishly contemptible. hey does this sound too terrible? they say, well remember that our ancestors would call our present apocalyptic too. Is that it? Is that what you will have to say to Ravi? - they may say “Oh hey, we’re just analysts, we don’t want to take a moral position on all of this.” Then why write so indulgently and relishingly? “Rejoice,” “deliverance for those who dare,” and so on. It's grim, smug, almost indulgent awe at a dystopia. You may think that all of it is logically inevitable, but PLEASE, FOR GOD'S SAKE, don't adopt a language of helplessness and pretend we have no agency, or one that normalises/glorifies these dystopian forecasts.
The benefits of abundant intelligence will accrue far outside of San Fransisco. Spent the last year writing about capital, sovereignty, and the coming reordering of economic power. THE COMMANDING HEIGHTS Commanding-Heights.com
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As superintelligence transforms every science and engineering field beyond human understanding, we will once again return to a world of magic and superstitions, where we attribute the various phenomena of the world not to gods and spirits, but to models and daemons.
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Really cool what would be cooler (actually, mind-blowing final triumph of interpretability) is generalized data+training method that can encourage modular "computers" to form inside models naturally… maybe one day.
So one of our ambassadors @divagr1925 has been working on something cool He found a way to use Qwen's Gated DeltaNet state as memory, and built a 32-bit RISC-V CPU directly into the model's weights. So instead of relying on predicting the answer to a calculation, the model can execute instructions internally. It can also run C and MicroPython programs. He calls it Qwenputer, love the name btw. The results so far are pretty impressive. On one arithmetic benchmark, accuracy jumped from 48.6% to 100%. Pretty cool to see developers experimenting with Qwen's architecture. Great work, my friend!
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at the end of the day, our only job is to build great circuits at train-time, and to ensure those are found and exploited at test-time.
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going to be there! please join us! we're also looking for more speakers/presenters, DM if interested.
Mumbai’s first alphaXiv Paper Club is happening on Nov 7! We’ll discuss papers on Continual Learning. We hope to meet monthly and build a research community in the city. Doing AI research or getting into it? Join us: luma.com/1w044cv1
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if this meme was a paper ieeexplore.ieee.org/document…
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Few years ago, there was just a handful of economists seriously thinking about AI (@akorinek,@pawtrammell,@erikbryn,Carl Shulman & few of their collaborators) and I was like 'this is insane, there should be 10x as many'. Now it's ~10x-30x more and frankly it is disappointing so far. Majority of the new economists bring a mindset and frames which are something between unhelpful to directly harmful for understanding AGI - not taking AGI seriously / "AI as a normal technology" - merchants of cope dynamic (in high demand by the labs) - labour/capital mindset - people were wrong about risks of tech transitions in the past and by induction they are again etc... coupled with epistemic arrogance. Sorry for being very blunt, by my impression is part of the problem is economists are often used to be in the broader context of humanities where they are the most quantitative and in some ways the smartest lot in various rooms, and others disagree with them for bad reasons. But this is _not_ the case relative to AI safety a few years ago!
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A vacation is an act of indefinite optimism
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On policy methods change non-principal direction, and hence also avoid forgetting. We take this insight and restrict any finetuning algo to do the same. Result: almost no forgetting, while still learning the target task well. Also scales well with # params & data.
How can LLMs learn new skills from offline data without losing what they already know? Introducing Subspace Tuning (SST): a simple approach that improves the learning–forgetting trade-off by controlling where weight updates happen. Paper: arxiv.org/abs/2610.22293 Blog: app.notion.com/p/ac-notes/To… 🧵 1/8
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This post got me thinking. Must the birth of god be plagued by so many maladies? It’s becoming clearer and clearer that public sentiment on AI is souring and many large groups of the population are questioning whether their obsolescence is looming, and are worried about all that may come later. We can talk about how it’s the greatest thing ever and potentially the last meaningful majorly human invented object (I STRONGLY agree). To some it has been super intuitive that such a transition is going to be anything but stable, while others, completely fairly, may have expected steadier transitions. Impact is steadily revealing itself in sentiment surveys, and some employment statistics (nitter.gq/davidshor/status/21003…, reuters.com/business/world-a…). In general, it seems intuitive that entry-level hiring may reduce drastically since these tasks are now automatable and the overall automatability of the white-collar economy (measured by say length-horizon and total tasks exposed) will clearly keep increasing. The doubt is informed. Why, then, does informed doubt not turn into anything? There was an old experiment (Latané, B., & Darley, J. M. (1968)) that did the following: put someone alone in a room, start to pump smoke under the door, and then about three in four get up and report it. Put them with two confederates instructed just to sit calmly and it drops to around one in ten. The subjects see the smoke just as clearly. There’s a great Yudkowsky post (intelligence.org/2017/10/13/…). A fire alarm in a sense does not tell anyone something they couldn’t already see. But it helps everyone know that everyone knows. A normaliser of beliefs, in a sense. It’s even more important to have mechanisms to normalise beliefs when the beliefs get crazier and harder to believe (relative to our “nothing ever happens” priors and expectations). An issue is that the confederates are incentivised to stay silent not just by “trying not to seem crazy”, or self-interest derived from being within the industry, but just the stakes involved if we try to reverse trends. AI investment is now estimated at roughly a third of US GDP growth this year, and all the doomposts of what happens if the “bubble bursts” have pretty damning consequences to make. My point here is to say, sometimes the “normaliser of beliefs” (here being okay with whatever might happen) is often just macro inevitability like this. Economic stakes are high, no lab can afford to slow down unilaterally (and each is probably cynical of adherence to mutually negotiated “slowdowns”). A sincere belief and being-okayness in inevitability is probably rational. But is it righteous? I’m personally pretty worried about a “software-only singularity” or broadly a “jagged singularity”. Think AI takes over the majority of (not restricted to) entry-level jobs in a couple of sectors, with others remaining mostly untouched. The kind of dynamics that would play out inter-occupationally seem pretty bad. In the limit, when intelligence is not jagged and is uplifting most tasks uniformly, I’m also pretty worried about what happens to people (mostly young kids who are potentially fresh grads at the time) who have worked all their life working through a system, with expectations and perceptions of the good rewards that lie at the end of it, mostly shaped by others with models from super outdated times and circumstances. That’s just one scenario on top of my mind (not weighted by likeliness, etc.). There’s probably a longer list. If this really is the last major human invention, then after it most value would come from owning the thing rather than doing the work, and it’s pretty unclear who ends up owning it (or how the rest of us get a share, other than by someone’s generosity). Essentially the social ladder freezes. Work has been the ladder into the middle class for a whole generation of families, and may stop being a viable uplifter. Another perspective is that we need to start upweighting and caring more about the long-tail risks (utter societal mutiny, mass unemployment just within a few years, the complete end of all social mobility). As unlikely as they are, the expected value is just unimaginably negative. Even then, they don’t look super unlikely either. A major change over the last couple of months is the realisation that paths to say: takeover risks, mass unemployment are super real and will keep becoming so in the future. Even on expected-value terms this looks bad, since the risks don’t look super unlikely anymore. But I think maybe a better frame is maximin over maximax: judge a path by how its worst-off fare rather than by how glorious the best case is. That’s especially true when, as here, we can’t really estimate the probabilities. And then some personally uncomfortable ones. Many of us, even if in extremely small ways, have contributed to capabilities research ourselves, so part of “is it righteous?” is a question about whether we’re the dumb calm strangers in the smoke room. Will people a few decades down the road think researchers were complicit for not being more vocal about the risks and/or going forward like usual anyway? Yudkowsky’s original post had a good point that there will be no “alarm” for AGI-related risks and transitions. In my perspective, the risk vectors are just too many and super non-linear, so the “no alarm” take is infinitely more valuable today. What would building one look like? In general how do we positively shape progress and “birth the god” without maladies plaguing? We probably need reliable alarms that help people know what’s up, although this might seem like central planning that is likely to fail. (1) One important perspective is that we need to delinearise the current axes of terminologies (name-calling, really) w.r.t. “doomers” and “optimists”. It is probably okay to be hopeful about the technology (and even contribute to capabilities) while being super vocal about the risks that are coupled. People from labs speaking their hearts out probably helps a lot. I was pretty moved by this line of reasoning from Dan Selsam’s statement (paraphrasing and extending): One can want the glorious renaissance, having worked for it one’s whole career, and it breaks one’s heart to see the possibility that one has to forgo it. But what’s the point if we get there with super risky trades and generally just via ways that make people suffer (or takeover risks that Selsam mentions)? (2) Require firms to attribute layoffs. Many recent layoffs have been swept under “overhired during post-COVID ZIRP and now cutting down” while they may be AI-related. This is a huge disservice and in a sense is spoofing a valuable alarm. (3) How should this impact and inform actual capabilities research? (3a) The jagged frontier is partly something researchers contribute to. Entry-level software went first largely because code comes with quick verifiers (tests pass or they don’t), which makes reinforcement learning work well there. If the development on the frontier is done by targeting some evals and then assessing how well they are doing w.r.t. them, every benchmark and reward signal you build pulls some occupation’s tasks across the line sooner. (3b) Some would say we should focus on “augmentation”. It seems pretty crazy to think of AI systems trained to “augment” rather than replace. How do you even do that? Get systems to act like they don’t know stuff and thus seek human intervention/escalation? This seems like an open problem. In general, our terminology and meta-thought within the field is addressing “automation” and “replacement”, not augmentation. While very ironically, there seems to be (p=0.4) a case where the latter may result in more immediate productivity gains (complete automation may get bottlenecked on “straddler” hard-to-learn tasks, while augmentation is a quick uplift all across). nitter.gq/alexolegimas/status/20…. Maybe augmentation vs automation aren’t super cleanly separable axes, but this remains worth thinking about. (4) Do we need to stop/pause? This warrants a serious discussion. There have been some good pieces about how many benefits can be realised even during a pause (beren.io/2026-09-08-Many-Ben…) and in general we seem to be in a capabilities overhang scenario (i.e. we can spend many years just working through harvesting the current fruit only) (hiranmay.com/blog/universall…). Other stuff like protecting the junior pipeline, insuring against transitions, moving the tax base (as labour’s share falls) and perhaps better redistribution schemes. This is probably for another post. The most famous maladies of birth, the childbed fevers in old maternity wards, turned out to be carried by the doctors’ own hands, and the fix was washing them. Maybe the birth of god doesn’t have to be plagued by so many maladies. Maybe it is so inherently if unchecked, but let’s not pretend we have no agency. It may seem intuitively unlikely that simple interventions meaningfully guide such “godly” transitions, but childbed fever also looked like fate until someone noticed whose hands it was on. Most of the maladies might just need boring, unglamorous hygiene, and a bunch of people willing to stand up and insist on it.
AI will probably be normal technology but it’s also negative EV. AI is inevitable but we can still slow it down. You can hold these beliefs simultaneously.
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AI IS AMAZING I know it's hip to worry about the decline in book reading and how chatbots will impoverish our brains. But TBH, this is not at all what I see. I wrote about how we're in this wild moment for intellectual flourishing and how all of us are the children of dancers.
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