
Lower and Lower Still|Range Hill's Pastor|Writer|@MABTS Ph.D. Student|2 Cor. 4:7-12|Textus Rex|Dispy|Old Landmarkist|Failure before Pragmatism
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Replying to @jarsofKlay @JCalebJones
Further, the word for nations can, and in the context of Matthew should, be understood as Gentiles. The command was already given to go to the Jews, now they were to go to everyone else.
Replying to @JCalebJones
Dude, you didn’t even read what I said. First, meaning absolutely changes based on *mood* (not tense). Second, look at the other uses of the word in Matthew, it never refers to the action of teaching, but rather being a disciple/student. It does NOT mean teach.
The primary premise is wrong. mathēteusate does not mean “disciple” or “teach.” In the imperative form, it means make a disciple or enroll a student. As an indicative, it means one who has become a disciple. It’s not about teaching but leading someone to follow Rabbi Jesus
Hey @MikeWingerii, I’ll try to do my best and to do it rather simply.
The key scriptural text (for me anyway) is Matthew 28:18-20. It is commonly translated into English like the ESV does here:
[18] And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. [19] Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [20] teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
But the command to “make disciples” is just the single Greek verb μαθητεύσατε (mathēteusate). It just means “disciple” or “instruct” or “teach.”
Who are we to do that to? “All the nations.” So who are they?
Now, yes, I know that because of the next clause involving baptism, μαθητεύσατε (mathēteusate) is typically taken to mean something that we are to do to INDIVIDUALS in all nations. And no, it is not wrong to see that as PART of the command Jesus gives.
But it IS WRONG to think that discipling individuals in all nations is ALL Jesus is commanding.
“But how can you teach an entire nation?” …asks the fool.
Easy! With preaching, with books, with art, with plays and education, and all the ways that you communicate with people. But most directly, you teach nations with laws, with recognized officials holidays (Christmas and Easter, for example), righteous judgments in courts, proclamations (props to the late Queen Elizabeth and her Christmas addresses), and other acts of public righteousness.
The full scope of Jesus’s command is the full grammatical scope of what his sentence means. Christians are to teach and admonish both individuals and governments. This is why (for example) the disciples in Acts were teaching in the Temple, which was a GOVERNMENT building for the Jewish nation, not merely individual synagogues throughout the countryside.
This is also why Acts has a strange concentration on the evangelization of government officials (from the Ethiopian eunuch to Sergius Paulus, the proconsul of Cyprus).
This is also why Paul notes in Romans 13:4 that the magistrate who bears the sword is “the servant of God,” rather than some official of the world, outside the kingdom of God, with an independent sphere of authority who — though well advised to independently save his individual soul — has no duties to God as an official of his nation in the day to day affairs of his governing.
In truth, all ministers owe an allegiance to the LORD God of Heaven and earth, who became a man, purchased us with his blood, rose from the grave, and ascended to Heaven.
In other words, when Jesus says “all authority in heaven and on earth” in Matthew 28:18, he really means “all authority.”
The same is true in reverse. No wife deserves love, even the godliest. That’s not why the husband loves.
The command to submit is for lost couples as much as it is for the saved. All marriage symbolizes Christ and the church.
No husband deserves submission, even the godliest. That’s not why you submit.
So the doctrine that says the rapture will happen at an unknown time in the future, could be today, could be 1000 years, is unbiblical because it hasn’t happened?
That makes no sense.
I’m reading @M_Y_Emerson “He Descended to the Dead” and I find it curious that, as he used the connection between Jonah and Jesus, he didn’t make the argument that Jonah actually died, or at least allude to the possibility of it. I think it would have helped the argument.
The hardest question, but often necessary, in an evangelistic conversation is after someone says they want to be saved, asking: Why?
Many people generally like the idea of salvation, but they don’t know why they need it.
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The more I preach, the more I find people falling asleep during the sermon annoying. Yes, there are boring preachers. Yes, preachers can do things to help people.
But if the preacher is preaching through a passage, and you follow along in your bible, you won't fall asleep.
Replying to @PhilYanda
There’s a real place for a conversation on how we ought to dress in public, including church, but my goodness, can we for one second keep our eyes on the fact we’re to win people to Christ? And those people are probably messed up.
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If you practice church discipline in glee that the church disciplines a person out of the fold, your heart is sick, if not unregenerate.
Rather, we rejoice in honoring Christ even as our hearts break for the sinful choices of a person.
If this is a person you know, who is a member, then maybe a conversation is worthwhile if the reason is just absolute laziness.
But if it’s a lost person and you think this, you’ve lost the plot.
Woman at church yesterday showed up in a sweatshirt and literal pajama pants. Wore her hood the entire service. I was absolutely appalled. I hate this whole, “came as you are” narrative the Protestant church preaches. Other religions wouldn’t let you in if you dressed so disrespectfully. Why is it only Christian’s that are held to this standard? That we must just accept everything?









