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ree 🌻 retweeted
I’m queer. I’ve grappled with that for years and wondered whether I fit in anywhere, because I’ve always felt I wasn’t queer enough. I truly believe there are a thousand ways to represent queerness without making it about physical intimacy. That’s why I’ve always felt this could work for NutHong, even if they never wanted to do intimate scenes.
What I can’t stand behind is the erasure of queerness and being played with. GMMTV has a habit of marketing “non-BL” pairings that are still very much coded as BL couples. They rely on the not-knowing and the will-they-won’t-they, keeping things deliberately unclear in the hope of drawing in viewers from both sides. That has always been the issue for me.
I have no problem with NH keeping it casual and sticking to friendship tropes. Quite the opposite: I think the world sorely lacks beautiful male friendships full of vulnerability and easy intimacy. But keeping things vague and ambiguous, with strong romantic undertones and parallels, doesn’t sit right with me. It makes me feel like my community is being used with no payoff.
IWTHYH is a deeply queer story at its core, and I would love to see it on screen, whatever Winston and Max’s relationship status turns out to be. But I need that status to be clear to truly enjoy the show. I can’t spend however many episodes it runs suspended in expectation. I’m a shipper at heart, and I’ll always see the romantic undertones. If it’s marketed as a friendship, then it’s on me if I read too much into it and see things that aren’t really there (as we kind of did with JunDylan). But if it stays unclear on purpose, you can’t blame people for seeing subtext and parallels, drawing conclusions, or expecting it to be more than it is. It’s a shame, because it looks like such a beautiful and important story. Love has no age. Love takes many, many forms, and every one of them deserves to be portrayed beautifully. I have no doubt everyone involved would do a magnificent job.
The reality is that NH have been shipped since the Project Alpha days. They’ve been marketed as a duo for the past year, even more so in recent weeks and months. They’re also playing characters who are canonically queer and in love, which raises the question of where 21 is headed and whether 23 will be acknowledged at all.
Friendship only? That’s fine. Not acting together? Also fine. Other partners? Count me in, and I’ll warmly welcome whoever comes along. BLs together? That would be a blessing, because their natural chemistry is already amazing. I’m fine with pretty much anything, as long as queer characters aren’t erased.
I’m willing to follow you wherever you choose to go. All I ask is not to be toyed with or kept on edge by deliberate uncertainty. And if you need time to decide, that’s completely fine too.
All I need is transparency and clarity.
ree 🌻 retweeted
platonic relationships ARE just as important as romantic relationships (i’d argue even more so in my experience but that’s beside the point) but that’s not where people’s disappointment lies. let’s stop twisting words and throwing terms like fetishisers around like its nothing
ree 🌻 retweeted
⚠️ aula rápida e importante sobre o porquê bromance é homofóbico e retrocesso ⚠️
existe algo chamando "queer coding" que é dar a um personagem trejeitos, atitudes, estilo de vestir ou maneirismos associados à comunidade LGBTQIA+, sem nunca confirmar explicitamente a sua sexualidade ou identidade de gênero na história.
criar personagens "codificados" surgiu porque durante muitos anos estúdios evitavam criar protagonistas negros explícitos por receio de "falta de comercialização" global (racismo), enquanto usavam elementos da cultura negra em personagens não-humanos ou fantásticos.
queer coding seguiu o exemplo de black coding na hora de construir, mostrar e comercializar os personagens.
queer coding "nasceu" nos EUA entre 1930 e 1968 porque o presidente do código de produção do cinema na época criou uma série de regulações rígidas de censura que proibiam explicitamente a representação de "perversão sexual" (incluindo homossexualidade) no cinema hollywoodiano.
o código hays só foi revogado em 1968 porque a tv começou a ganhar mais força que o cinema mas infelizmente isso não significa que queer coding deixou de existir.
mesmo após o fim da censura oficial, surgiu e se consolidou o tropo narrativo "Bury Your Gays" que dita que personagens queer são muito mais propensos a morrer, sofrer abusos, contrair doenças ou terminar sozinhos.
a intenção do queer coding não é acrescentar mais diversidade à história, eles não têm intenção de escrever um personagem com quem o público possa se identificar, ou que seja algo além de uma caricatura grosseira pra atrair atenção do público lgbtqiapn+.
durante décadas, a sociedade via a homossexualidade como uma tragédia inerente, então pra que uma história com um personagem gay fosse aceita pelo público geral, a narrativa "exigia" que a vida dele terminasse em sofrimento ou morte como uma consequência moral de sua identidade, além de que personagens lgbtqiapn+ frequentemente eram colocados em papéis secundários (o melhor amigo, o alívio cômico ou o mentor).
durante anos nós pessoas queer não podíamos assistir nossas histórias e quando viamos algo com o mínimo de representatividade acabava em morte, sofrimento ou solidão.
o termo bromance se popularizou nos anos 2000 justamente porque alguns atores evitavam ser shipados romanticamente com outro homem e deixavam claro que ali existia apenas uma amizade.
bromance mesmo se propondo a ser só uma amizade intensa, quase que irmandade, é queerbaiting porque na prática essa "amizade" é a caricatura de um namoro/casamento.
o aumento de bromance é a marca de um retrocesso porque teve uma época que isso era tudo que tínhamos e agora que realmente temos histórias boas e finais felizes querem colocar a gente de novo no armário e nas entrelinhas.
ree 🌻 retweeted
แต่ถ้าตัวซีรีส์จะเล่าเรื่องในเชิง platonic soulmate ยังไงก็อยากให้ทางทีมทำการบ้านเยอะ ๆ เพราะเรื่องนี้มันละเอียดอ่อนมาก ๆ เพราะตัวเนื้อเรื่องก็เล่าเรื่องของคนในคอมมูด้วยยิ่งต้อง work มากขึ้นไปอีก เพราะก็เอาเรื่องของคนในคอมมูมาเล่าด้วย แต่ตัวของหลานที่มาเล่าเป็นแบบไหน มองคอมมูยังไง แล้วที่จริงหลานเป็นยังไง
อีกอย่าง queer กับ platonic soulmate มันมีความต่างแตกต่างกันอยู่ เลยอยากให้ทางทีม work อย่างจริงจังแล้ว take time กับตรงนี้เยอะ ๆ อยากให้ทางทีมตีโจทย์ให้แตก ให้มีรอยรั่วน้อยที่สุด แล้วทำออกมาระเบิดปึ้ง แบบคนดูเก็ตแบบไม่ต้องทำความเข้าใจเยอะ และไม่ตั้งคำถามสงสัย ก็เลยรอดูแล้วว่าจะเล่าออกมาแบบไหนผ่านซีรีส์
(ขอดักไว้ก่อนแล้วกันนะคะ)(พูดเผื่อไปก่อน) อยากให้ระวังเรื่องการมีซีน queerbait ในซีรีส์นิดนึงนะคะ เพราะจากหลาย ๆ ครั้งที่ผ่านมา ถ้าเป็นเชิง bromance ไม่ได้บอกว่าเป็นคนในคอมมูมั้ย แต่พอมีซีนเซอวิสมันจะแอบเอ๊ะนิดนึง มันจะดูแบบไม่เคารพคอมมู เพราะตอนแรกแอบหวั่นจริง ๆ แต่พอพี่โจ้บอกว่าเรื่องนี้ความสัมพันธ์เป็น platonic ก็แอบสบายใจมากขึ้น แต่ก็ยังอยากให้เล่าให้ตรงจุด แล้วไม่ไปกระทบคอมมูค่ะ ยังไงเป็นกำลังใจให้พี่โจ้กับทีมนะคะ take time กับตรงนี้เยอะ ๆ ได้เลยค่ะ ไม่รีบ ๆ 🥺✌🏻
iwhyh is a BEAUTIFUL story if done right, if not for this whole cp system i would be over the moon nh chose it. but now p'jojo deleted his tweet, and nh will continue to be marketed as a pair no different than how bl cps are marketed, i am once again asking will they wont they?
platonic soulmates are great for as long as you don't imply any ambiguous romantic implications. my issue lies with how gmmtv moves, promoting fixed bromance pairs the exact same way bl cps are promoted. that in itself is still queerbaiting and this show is an avenue for it.
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you have disappointed me and the queer community greatly. so much for being a safe space. @nnutdan @hongshihoshi03
my only question is why do bromance when there is the option to do nothing at all? @nnutdan @hongshihoshi03 this doesnt take away from the queerness of i wanna hold your hand as a whole, that is an important story to tell. but i ask @JojoTichakorn , is it not a disservice to +
it's not too late to change wintonmax to romance @JojoTichakorn and i pray you as a queer man understand where we're coming from. @nnutdan @hongshihoshi03 your fans are mostly queer, your peers are queer, don't you think we deserve respect in that regard?
i will continue to support you as lykn, that doesnt change. but i cannot in good conscience support queerbaiting. it's not too late to rethink this and do bl. we WILL SUPPORT YOU when you support the queer community wholly. @nnutdan @hongshihoshi03