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Melissa Raven retweeted
Thank you for setting the record straight. We did not, as accused, misrepresent the serotonin paper as demonstrating that antidepressants are not effective, although this is something I have explored in other research. 1/2
I've responded briefly to Jack's blog here: mhorowitz.substack.com/p/une…
The two major problems with Jack Goulder’s blog (and the paper on which it is based) is, one, that Jack is working from the unquestioning (and largely unexamined) assumption that antidepressants work and anyone who suggests otherwise must have mischievous motivation. And two, he has misrepresented what we have said about our umbrella review.
Jack said to me tellingly in an email:
“I should be clear that my academic background is in history and social science, not epidemiology or pharmacology. I’m not sure I’m qualified to give a detailed analysis of the subtleties of this quite vast literature!”
So without engaging with the debate about efficacy in any meaningful way he has embarked on what sounds like a year-long project on the premise that ‘the drugs work because senior people in my field agree they do’ and that he saw a young woman (with a different condition to the literature he is commenting on) improve with antidepressants ‘after a few months, and with the help of therapy too.’
This is not how science works. I sent him a very clear explanation of the issues with antidepressant efficacy written by a Cochrane group in Denmark – who I’m sure have never read Szasz! – published in the BMJ Open but he seems not to have read this: bmjopen.bmj.com/content/9/6/…
To just briefly re-state the issues with the Cipriani review on antidepressants (which provides the basis of Jack and other’s unshakeable belief in the efficacy of these drugs): presenting response rates inflates the small absolute differences between antidepressant and placebo.1 This difference is 2 points on a 52 point depression scale.2 This lies below any analysis of what constitutes a clinically important difference (rather than just a statistically significant difference).3,4 See figure above to illustrate some of these elements. These studies only examine effects at 8 weeks, whilst people take these drugs for years.5 Even the small effects at 8 weeks are likely to wear off due to tolerance – the corollary of any drug that causes withdrawal.6
There are also unblinding effects – people who know they are on the drugs have raised expectations which improve mood and these expectations inflate the apparent effects of antidepressants in placebo-controlled trials.7 For example, in an analysis of the TADS study treatment guess had a substantial effect on outcome, while actual treatment group (antidepressant or placebo) did not.7 The Stone et al meta-analysis did not refute the role of unblinding as Jack suggests, it merely notes that the trials it included did not test the integrity of the double blind design (Stone writes “We cannot fully exclude the possibility that the effects of the drugs are accounted for by functional unblinding”). 8
There is also massive publication bias.9 The studies which find 15% of people benefit at an 8 week time point suffer from all the same limitations as above.8 And if there is a small pharmacological effect in the short term from this class of medication it leaves the question of the utility – or the ethics – of giving people drugs that numb their emotions when they are distressed,10 especially with the risk that for a portion of them this numbing does not wear off when the drugs are stopped.11,12 Jack’s piece ignores almost all of these issues.
A central part of this argument is that Joanna and I put out a press release arguing that our paper had demonstrated antidepressants are ineffective. Notably he does not quote the lines from the press release in his blog or the paper – remarkable when this is a key part of his argument.
Of course the reason he does not quote this is because his assertion is false. We don’t anywhere say in our draft press release that we have demonstrated in our umbrella review of the role of serotonin in depression that we have demonstrated that antidepressants are not effective. The closest we come is when we say: “Therefore, this research calls into question reasons for the use of antidepressants.” The research does indeed undermine a common reason for the prescription of antidepressants.
I think what is most unsettling about this piece is that Jack has inverted the work of Naomi Oreskes. Her work and her book Merchants of Doubt sets out the playbook taken by large industries to undermine critics of their hegemony. When big tobacco was being criticised for causing lung cancer by researchers, it funded researchers who sewed doubt in this hypothesis by pointing to asbestos, stress, etc, anything other than tobacco which might cause lung cancer.
The same playbook was used by fossil fuel companies: as climate scientists started pointing the finger at this industry for driving climate change, scientists associated with industry put out arguments sewing doubt: temperatures natural vary, humans couldn’t be doing it, etc.
This is the identical playbook adopted by the pharmaceutical industry and its supporters when it comes to obscuring the harm of their products. Antidepressant withdrawal isn’t caused by stopping antidepressants, they say, it is caused by patient’s expectations of worsening (nocebo effects), their mental health condition returning, other diseases that co-incidentally occur at the same point (functional neurological disorder) and short-term withdrawal studies show that there is no real issue, etc.13,14
There is an absurdity to painting academics, many of whom are paid by one of the largest industries in the world as representing unimpeachably pure science and Joanna and a bunch of her academic colleagues (including me) as the ‘merchants of doubt’. Of course some of the scientists who defend the efficacy or minimise the harms of antidepressants are not paid by industry, but other interests, such as professional status, are also at play.
I would strongly encourage Jack and anyone reading his essay to go and read criticisms of antidepressant efficacy before jumping to conclusions that anyone putting forward a criticism of the current consensus must be mischieviously motivated.
The current (and poorly examined) consensus on the relative safety and effectiveness of antidepressants in the long-term has led to an avalanche of harm that can be seen spilling out onto social media, newspaper articles, government inquiries, parliamentary groups and, increasingly, concrete NHS projects and directives. Rather than expending further energy trying to shoot (and silence) some of the messengers it would be better for patients if psychiatrists examined the reality of what is occurring to patients and stopped deriving false reassurance from short term studies centrally concerned with commercial objectives.
References available at: mhorowitz.substack.com/p/une…
Melissa Raven retweeted
Let’s push the @FDA to follow the UK’s MHRA and require specific warnings about Post-SSRI Sexual Dysfunction (PSSD).
And while we’re at it, let’s strengthen the suicide risk warnings to include ALL ages, not just those 24 and younger.
We’ve been fighting to remove that age cutoff since 2006. Drug-induced suicidal thoughts and behaviors don’t magically stop when someone turns 25.
The FDA’s failure to specifically warn about PSSD raises a much bigger question: How can patients give informed consent when important risks aren’t disclosed?
It’s exactly why I created the petition at antidepressantinjury.com. We need to make the voices of those harmed impossible to ignore.
Patients deserve to know the risks BEFORE taking these drugs, regardless of their age or where they live.
Informed consent isn’t optional. It’s a patient’s right.
Another great article by @AKECassels and @brownstoneinst
Shockingly, the US FDA has yet to require a specific warning about persistent post-SSRI sexual dysfunction (PSSD), revealing how much the US system has been captured by the drug companies it allegedly regulates.
~@AKECassels
Why Weren’t We Warned?
brownstone.org/articles/why-…
Melissa Raven retweeted
Reminder: "findings do not support the use of antipsychotic augmentation in patients with treatment-resistant depression."
A 2025 study followed almost 40,000 patients with treatment-resistant depression given an antipsychotic and compared them with matched patients given another antidepressant.
Antipsychotics did not reduce suicide outcomes, though suicide death showed a concerning signal (HR 1.22, 0.91–1.71). All-cause mortality was higher on antipsychotics (HR 1.21, 1.07–1.33).
Ref: 10.1192/bjp.2024.283
Aripiprazole or bupropion for antidepressant augmentation?
Similar in new trial of anxious #depression.
Learn why bupropion causes less anxiety than often thought:
psych-partners.com/aripipraz…
Melissa Raven retweeted
sign up to this event. AD4E are one of the most important organisations campaigning for better mental health for all by acknowledging the harms our current diagnostic models cause: eventbrite.co.uk/e/196864998…
Melissa Raven retweeted
Such great advice. 🦋
Coming from someone who once wondered if she would ever make it through grief, @drleewarrenmd words really resonated with me.
The heartache of losing someone you love is real. And so is the possibility of healing. 🦋🦋
Most people think the five stages of grief are a map for losing someone you love.
But they came from interviews with patients who had just found out they were dying.
Stay with me to the end, and I'll show you what grief actually looks like in people who've lost someone, and the one thought you need to stop believing about your own grief.
I'm a brain surgeon. I've had the hardest conversations a family can have, in hospital hallways and waiting rooms, and I've studied what grief does to the brain. Let's scrub in and get after it.
In 1969, Dr. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross published On Death and Dying, based on interviews with more than 200 terminally ill patients.
Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. She was describing people facing their own death.
The rest of us borrowed those stages for bereavement, and they turned into a checklist.
When Yale researchers finally tested the stages in 233 people who had lost a loved one, the checklist didn't hold.
Acceptance was the most common response from early on. And the strongest pain wasn't anger or depression.
It was yearning, the ache of missing them and wanting them back.
So here's what grief really looks like: you can accept that they're gone and still ache for them every day. Both at once. That's normal.
The third commandment of self-brain surgery is: I must believe that most of my automatic thoughts are untrue.
And "I'm grieving wrong" is one of those lying thoughts.
Hit that follow button so you don't miss the next one, and send this to someone who thinks they're grieving wrong.
When it shows up, examine the tissue, then tell yourself the truth: this ache is yearning, and yearning is what love does when someone is gone.
"The LORD is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit." Psalm 34:18 (NIV).
He doesn't wait for you to finish a stage before He comes close.
Click the link in my bio to learn more about self-brain surgery for grief.
Melissa Raven retweeted
Gift article:
thefp.com/p/laura-delano-mah…
Melissa Raven retweeted
A large number of pregnancies are exposed to psychiatric medications.
21% was the rate in this recent study (pre-COVID).
Rates are likely higher now.
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/article…
Melissa Raven retweeted
Many people are unfamiliar with John Gunderson's supportive approach to Borderline Personality Disorder that prioritizes improving daily function over deep, intensive exploration.
Here's an excellent summary & comparison to other BPD psychotherapies:
psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.…
Melissa Raven retweeted
Chatbots cause or accelerate #EatingDisorders by:
• Providing dangerous diet/ restriction/exercise tips
• Validating self-destructive patterns
• Blending healthy advice with disordered ideas
• Undermining professional guidance/treatment
Chatbot use should be included in every evaluation.
Eating disorders are a major cause of mental health–related disability, yet no substantial new data on eating disorders have been added to the Global Burden of Disease framework since 2017. alert.psychnews.org/eating-d…
Melissa Raven retweeted
Bu deneyi izlemek zor... Çünkü bir bebek sevgi görmediğinde neler yaşandığını göreceksiniz.
Melissa Raven retweeted
A hill I will die on (and very nearly did):
It's wrong to convince millions of people they have a problem in their brains that they don't actually have.
And it's doubly wrong to then use that line to tell people to put stuff in their body claiming it will correct the erroneous brain problem.
You don't tell people...
"Look, I'm an apple expert and you should eat this apple because its magical and miraculous properties will fix the chemical shitshow that's causing your migraines"
...And then when the apple does fuck all or worse turns out to be riddled with maggots do you turn around to the person and say...
"Sorry maggot muncher, that's your fault for believing in something I never even said"
...And then, worst of all, get all pearl clutchy when the person complains that they're now full of maggots, expecting them to meekly retreat to a position of abject gratitude and "Oh but look, he's different, he's a psychiatrist at the margins" all while retching up the maggots and apologising for the mess.
The guy in the quoted post below, Awais Aftab, once whinged on here—clearly referring to patients—about patients like me treating him as representative of a system. Well duh, yeah, if someone puts themselves out there as the "reasonable" voice of psychiatry in the NYT and runs a Substack literally referring to the name of their field—"Psychiatry at the Margins"—then they themselves are saying they're a representative of the system they work in.
He also said in the same "Woe is me for working in a field that's meant to be accountable to the public" whingefest that patients like me want him to publicly self-flagellate for his sins.
To be clear and direct and honest in a way you are incapable of being, Awais Aftab: I do not want you or any of your peers to self-flagellate.
No—I want your field to do something that's evidently much more painful for psychiatry than self-flagellation: I want your field to apologise.
Outrageous I know, but I want your field to apologise for coercing me, as a child, into putting something in my body that harmed me—something I would never have agreed to had I'd been told the truth about it.
And, no, wanting an apology is not the same thing as wanting someone to self-flagellate. But it's no surprise to me that psychiatry doesn't know the difference. It's almost as though the field has a severe case of Accountability Deficiency Disorder.
(Video below is of an influential psychiatrist from Stanford University telling the public their depression is caused by low seratonin (sic). It was published on YouTube in July 2022 and has almost 100,000 views as of now. Images to the right are Awais Aftab saying claims about chemical imbalance are straw manning, and describing himself as a representative of the psychiatric community.)
BREAKING: Psychiatrist Who Has A Thing For Posing With Halo-Like Objects Behind His Head Tells NYT Readers The Chemical Imbalance Theory They Believe In Is Just Their Silly Little Patient Minds Falling For Drug Company Ads And Getting Stuck In This Silly Line Of Thinking For Decades, Has Nothing To Do With Psychiatry
Melissa Raven retweeted
My exp of antidepressants was they put on weight (unhealthy), disturb sleep (unhealthy), cause sexual dysfunction, emotional blunting (unhealthy), suicidal ideation/attempts (dangerous), drug dependence (unhealthy, dangerous).
I ranked the things my patients try for depression. Antidepressants landed in "bad."
They wear off over time, doses creep up, and the real problems never get fixed.
What made "best":
→ Moving your body. About a 20% lower depression risk.
→ Good sleep without sedatives. Insomnia doubles your risk.
→ A real-food diet. Mediterranean-style eating is linked to 33% lower risk.
→ Strong relationships. Lonely people are 2.3 times more likely to be depressed.
→ Avoiding cannabis. A hot take, I know.
None of these have side effects. Your doctor rarely helps with any of them.
Comment TAPER and I'll send you my free safe tapering guide.
Melissa Raven retweeted
Four Studies Raise Concerns About the Wide-Ranging Negative Effects of Antipsychotics: buff.ly/x0e1Gp7
[Psychiatry, diagnosis, psychosis, antipsychotic, medication, schizophrenia, weight gain, side effect]
#psychiatry #diagnosis #psychosis #antipsychotic #schizophrenia
Melissa Raven retweeted
Lots of hearty, nutritious common sense in this piece about the incentive structures surrounding ADHD and autism diagnosis by @naomicfisher: “These diagnostic assessments are promoted as if they were something akin to a spiritual experience. Suddenly, they promise, your whole life will make sense. You will be able to forgive yourself for your transgressions and treat yourself with compassion. These narratives are picked up by the mainstream press, with personal articles claiming that a neurodevelopmental diagnosis can be magical or a rebirth.”
Selling self-diagnosis thecritic.co.uk/119563-2/
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Writing
I find this really concerning. If a study is taking people off antidepressants, withdrawal needs to be measured and distinguished from relapse. Otherwise, how can we be confident that what’s being labelled a return of the original condition isn’t withdrawal?
A new study funded by the Wellcome Trust will take people off antidepressants over 4 weeks and will measure serotonin levels (using a brain scan following tryptophan depletion) to predict who will relapse. There are 9 measures of relapse or mood symptoms. There are no measures of withdrawal.
pradam.org
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The psychedelic bandwagon continues, despite recognition that the trials are flawed by blinding problems and lack of data on long-term safety. The idea of a new miracle cure is just too tempting. nature.com/articles/d41586-0…
Melissa Raven retweeted
Three brilliant quotes from @joannamoncrieff in this critique of the Fonagy Review 👇
1) Incosistent framing of what diagnosis means: "However, as James Barnes has pointed out, the Review simultaneously endorses two contradictory conceptions of diagnosis. Alongside the idea that diagnosis identifies a neurological condition, it acknowledges that “diagnosis is based on categories of symptoms rather than established biological mechanisms” and on judgements about their “severity, persistence and impact on functioning”. Therefore, the diagnosis does not represent a neurodevelopmental disorder. Calling it one simply assumes that symptoms or difficulties that reach a certain threshold must represent a neurological dysfunction or difference."
2) Diagnosis is not informative when we are thinking about how to allocate scarce resources to those who need them most: "So adding impairment into the diagnostic criteria does not make them any more objective or likely to identify an underlying brain mechanism. Diagnosis does not resolve the complex question of which needs deserve publicly-funded medical support and which don’t."
3) Effect of stimulants: "Stimulants help people to spend more time on a particular task, but have not been convincingly shown to improve learning, exam performance or academic achievement, work productivity, driving ability or any other area…Stimulants are not sugar pills. They are powerful drugs that significantly alter one’s physical and mental state. Long-term use is associated with an increased risk of cardiovascular effects such as stroke and heart failure, and neurological effects, including tics and an increased risk of Parkinson’s-like neurological disease. They can cause irritability, anxiety, mood swings, emotional numbness, social withdrawal, obsessional behaviour and can lead to psychosis."
👇
The Fonagy Report: A Missed Opportunity to Challenge the Neurodevelopmental Narrative
By Joanna Moncrieff, MD
An independent review in the UK to address ADHD and autism diagnosis and treatment has missed an opportunity to correct misleading notions.
buff.ly/vbxHa0d
Melissa Raven retweeted
DSM-6 is a grift/mistake whose only real purpose is publishing profits for Am Psychiatric Assoc.
Changing its name from 'Diagnostic & Statistical Manual' to 'Diagnostic & Scientific Manual' is putting lipstick on a pig.
Giant leaps in neuroscience during past 50 yrs have had absolutely no impact on diagnosis.
Melissa Raven retweeted
Confirmation that taking antidepressants has substantial effects on sexual function. More attention and research is needed on the persistence of these effects for months and years after the drugs are stopped. link.springer.com/article/10…
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Finally !
Derek Summerfield of the Institute of Psychiatry, Kings College critiques adult ADHD last week in @bmj_latest.






































