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Cooker.hl | 版本之子 | Theo Arc) retweeted
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Cooker.hl | 版本之子 | Theo Arc) retweeted
CT is divided into 3 types of people:
KOLs: May or may not be good traders, shielded by paid deals, capable of moving/manipulating coins the way they want, with almost 0 risk trading thanks to copy-trader candles.
Mid-tier accounts (actual traders): People who are genuinely smart and are constantly hitting licks on-chain. They don't focus on social media because they're able to rely just on their trading skills.
Crying poors: 3-fig port, FUDing everything, posting a 20,000-word rant about a KOL who made them lose their $60.
I respect both KOLs and actual traders. They both found their edge: KOLs worked on their socials, while actual traders are smart and don't rely on social media. What I can't respect are the poors who flood every single CT post with negative stuff, and I think part of the current sentiment is related to the amount of negativity these poors spread.
Cooker.hl | 版本之子 | Theo Arc) retweeted
Replying to @CookerFlips
People acting like Alon has a gun to their head forcing them to use it. Grown men crying because they can’t control themselves it’s embarrassing
Cooker.hl | 版本之子 | Theo Arc) retweeted
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Cooker.hl | 版本之子 | Theo Arc) retweeted
I like and trust @izebel_eth. Traded profitably on papertrade since launch + no plans to stop (congrats on the magical product).
With love, this reads like a letter to attackers and farmooors, not detailing needed changes FOR long term users.
The dilution section feels buried.
The numbers could actually be reassuring. *If it takes another $700M in liquidations for supply to double. Give the tokenomics their own post. How much dilution, how quickly - what it means for holders?
Lead with those numbers and what changes for users. You’ve spent months thinking about this. Users just want to mash a button and preferably not get rugged.
Bottom line I’m sure the case for these changes is stronger than the announcement makes it sound, a note on comms.
E.g. xitter.cf/crypto_ragdolls/status…
A note on transferability.
Papertrade is a complicated primitive, and managing it from a risk standpoint is a complicated problem. The PAPER token is far more integrated into the economics of the primitive than most tokens are in their respective protocols today, and, broadly, was designed to act as a counter insolvency incentive coupled with a rebate mechanism to losing traders. Market makers and exchanges are by far the two most profitable businesses in crypto, and our goal was to try and externalise as much of their margins back to users as possible. We are now just over a week into the life of papertrade and we are becoming increasingly confident that this is both possible, but also a likely outcome as agentic led software becomes the norm.
As it stands, the paper token traded as a perp becomes a leveraged bet on bankroll solvency - and being able to short bankroll solvency materially changes the payoff curve of a manipulation attack. The target number goes from the bankroll, to the bankroll + short side exposure on paper. We can, and do limit bankroll size specifically to control this payoff curve and ensure it never becomes existentially problematic, but external perp markets are not something we would have any control over if left to float of their own accord. For example, if our bankroll is $10m, an attack costing $15m manipulating the price of bitcoin or ether is not viable. You simply lose money. If however you were also able to put on $10m of PAPER short side exposure, suddenly an attack costing $15m is very viable indeed.
If we were to make the token transferable at this point, we are confident we would quickly enter a state too dangerous to allow any material exposure to be taken on papertrade, an end result that benefits no party beyond the wolves who have done the math on the short and are waiting in the wings with sharpened knives.
We would also like to thank the various perps teams who have reached out about pre-market listings for their understanding and patience regarding this issue, and especially to the paragon team who, despite jumping the gun on us, have behaved with the utmost integrity and transparency once a dialogue was opened.
Perps on PAPER will always act as a self-limiting exposure ceiling for a token with this type of utility, and we think it would be a shame to limit the growth of papertrade to the extent that allowing perps would necessitate. As such, at this juncture we do not have plans to allow off-contract token transferability.
Structurally, papertrade is limited by the quality of the data it receives from hyperliquid, but we strongly believe that hyperliquid has a very large part to play in the future of global exchanges, and expect their books to continue to thicken and strengthen over time.
A note on fees.
Papertrade launched with a deadband fee from entry of 0.2bps. This means you don't earn anything until the price has moved by 0.002% in your favour. Over the months before launch, we played around with many different curves and fee structures affecting exclusively positions closed very close to entry price in order to try and devise a structure that removed the edge against the bankroll low time frame scalp bots have, whilst also minimally impacting the traders around which and for whom the product was devised. We were never able to find anything we were absolutely happy with and so decided to stay with the 0.2bp deadband fee through launch. This has however meant we have had to be very restrictive when it came to certain parameters, such as OI caps.
Now, however, we have enough live data to fully understand exactly which strategies work, and to make the necessary changes to stop them. The changes we are making will have an on hours and off hours fee mode to account for the relative differences in liquidity the hyperliquid books see between these two time periods, and the ease with which low time frame moves are signalled. The changes we are making will only affect positions closed within 6bps of entry (0.06%) in on hours, and 10bps (0.1%) in off hours. Any trades closed above these threshold price shifts will see no change to their fees at all. On a look back to launch basis, these changes affect the profitability of bot strategies roughly 15x more than they do normal traders, for whom a very small proportion of overall winnings come from within this band.
These changes should serve to flatten much of the edge our microfee structure necessarily creates on low time frames, and will help with long term exchange sustainability. This should hopefully allow us to open up parameters such as OI caps a little more so those of you who wish to can put on the size you want to, when you want to.
It is possible these changes are still too lax, and that further revisions to this structure may be necessary going forwards. If so, we will notify users ahead of time.
A note on paper tokenomics.
In conjunction with the fee changes, we will also be implementing a change to the token issuance curve.
Going forward, every $1 lost mints a fixed share of PAPER's supply at that moment, roughly 0.1% of supply per $1M lost (the exact number depends on the mint rate at the time the contracts are upgraded). PAPER minting in and near insolvency will also change, switching from a flat 100 per $1 of loss, to a time weighted multiplier on the curve growing over time, effectively acting as the house running a discounted auction on its own future cash flows. This change also removes the risk of the paper-mint-straddle-attack, temporarily pushing the protocol insolvent by closing only the winning side of a large straddle position and then attempting to mint as much paper as possible.
In the immediate term these changes will only have a very subtle effect on PAPER minting, but in the long run will structurally change the outlook of the system beyond the first few weeks, serving to slowly dilute out older holders and leaving more recent users with an advantage. Reconstituting the PAPER system into something much closer to the exchange rakeback it was intended to be.
We have been very reticent to touch this particular aspect of the system for obvious reasons, but ultimately we believe that these changes provide all users with the optionality to take a smaller piece of a potentially much larger pie than the current dynamic might necessarily allow.
Other, miscellaneous notes.
These contract upgrades will include a few other contract changes, including the addition of builder codes so that builders can utilise papertrade in whatever capacity they choose to. This will be a whitelist only to begin with and we will have more for you later in the week on where/how this will be rolled out. A small change to contract permissions on the reward distributor and a change on how below bust closes are processed by the exchange are also included, largely to block gas griefing attacks.
These changes will be pushed to docs in full over the coming day, and we will further announce once the changes are queued into the timelock pending final security passes, scheduled to go live 24 hours after that point.
Final note.
We'd like to thank everyone that has tried out papertrade over the last 10 days. It has been a labour of love building this product and both of us have been taken aback at all of the positive feedback we have received. We'd also like to thank all those of you who have spent considerable time musing on the system we have built, and much of your advice has been taken onboard and will likely affect the colour of what papertrade becomes going forward. We know some of these changes will be unpopular with some, but we would not be making them if we did not feel them to be absolutely necessary.
- blurr, jez
Some people seem upset about the $PAPER @papertrade_xyz update but I think it's good
Owning PAPER is owning a share of the house
If non-transferability etc. is required in order to prevent attack vectors, then that's how it should be
Ppl missing the forest for the trees
Cooker.hl | 版本之子 | Theo Arc) retweeted
owning paper is owning a share in the house
this is only valuable insofar as the house is valuable. owning a lot of a dead house is worthless, and any design that would let the house stay at zero is a failed design.
when we went out, there were certain known problems with known timelines (builder codes) and some unsolved problems with unknown timelines. the perp attack described in the main was an unsolved problem, but we hoped to solve it as we made progress elsewhere. we knew it was impossible to set all the parameters and variables perfectly prelaunch - we are the first through the wall in a very adversarial environment - and i thought we would have more time to find solutions. unfortunately, the way things are advancing, we dont have six months until a large perp listing, its coming already. these were labelled as unsolved “good problems” and here we are. the market forced our hand into making the decision before we found a solution to the problem, and so for the health of the protocol the token is now non-transferrable. i want to thank all of the pre-market perp dexes, especially the hyperliquid ecosystem ones, who were in contact through this process. i am sorry I was not able to find a design for transferability that worked, i tried very hard.
ultimately, the success of papertrade relies on what it always has - whether the end product has user PMF. i have extreme confidence in the product we've built and continue to add to. i have had to personally self-exclude myself from similar products before because i used them too much. the token being transferable or not does not change whether a degen will longterm choose to trade on papertrade or not. the execution, site quality, mechanism, and economics of the trade will. papertrade is the fastest way to go from usdc in your wallet on any chain to a leveraged speculation exposure. providing clean, working, composability derivative liquidity in a permissionless environment is the vision.
thank you for your all your support since launch, and good luck to us
Cooker.hl | 版本之子 | Theo Arc) retweeted
Replying to @blknoiz06
the aws of long degeneracy has a nice ring to it
Cooker.hl | 版本之子 | Theo Arc) retweeted
know ive been tweeting about this a lot but really think papertrade could be a generational setup
high leverage perps are crypto's most profitable product to date, demand for speculation is not going to go away
ability to open/close synthetic 1000x positions w/ no market impact is a novel mechanism, paired w/ the house-trader relationship where trader losses fund the onchain LP, & all losses after a certain LP cap get paid out to traders staking the platform's native paper token - can see how this can maintain traction longterm, already at 50M+ paid out to $PAPER stakers in first week
every other perp dex's revenue comes from a small take rate on the fees of volume, no perp dex has been able to monetize directly trader losses, of which it's been shown is a much larger number, in theory winners should be able to easily get paid out from house LP over time as high leverage has a difficult success rate, ideal state is that its closer to 50/50 winners/losers after a certain LP cap and even then its a much better model allowing traders to own the house
what's more interesting tho is that the model should be able to be extensible to other games outside of just perpetual futures, the online gambling industry is massive, and none of the online casinos are +EV for users, every major online casino is -EV as thats how the house makes money by creating games that are slightly better probabilistically for the house and monetizing losses over time, with papertrade it should be possible to let people speculate on other similar games with the same model as losses going back directly to paper stakers instead of just to the house - so im curious to see what team is thinking of here
if hyperliquid is the AWS of all of finance, then papertrade could be the AWS of all high leverage speculation money games on the internet, will be cool to see how the next several months play out, dont think people have gone deep enough on the possibilities with one of the first novel onchain experiments in awhile that also rewards its most active participants
Cooker.hl | 版本之子 | Theo Arc) retweeted
launch day papertrade farmer:
lost $10,000
got 1,000,000 $paper
staked it
8 days later
~$9,500 back in usdc from staking alone
+ $30,000 in paper at 3c
~13,000% apr for being liquidated
welcome to the paper supercycle
Replying to @CookerFlips
Something I’ve learned in my short time here is that this place is far too emotional. Although maybe it’s just the byproduct of being so exposed/in tune to markets every day
Cooker.hl | 版本之子 | Theo Arc) retweeted
after today, I’m ranked #36 on @papertrade_xyz ’s all-time PNL leaderboard.
my only complaint is it’s not enough leverage.
Cooker.hl | 版本之子 | Theo Arc) retweeted
you can get the same $paper rewards on smoltrade.xyz PLUS accumulate wassie lotto tickets
invites rolling out slowly
no added fees, only added features
Papertrade might be crypto's most entertaining Ponzi game.
"The beauty of this fantastic Ponzi game, and I say Ponzi game endearingly. It's a great Ponzi."
"The only way to get the PAPER token is by getting liquidated."
"By staking PAPER, you become the house."
"So far, traders have lost $50 million, but $42 million has been paid out to PAPER stakers."
"Some people went onto the platform and tried to get liquidated on purpose because they want the PAPER tokens."
— @TrustlessState
WEEKLY ROLLUP: The Crypto Bull Market Just Got a Reality Check
Uptober has turned into Redtober. @RyanSAdams and @TrustlessState unpack crypto’s selloff, why the early bull market may still be intact, and how inflation and AI debt fears are rattling markets. Plus, Ledger’s $102M supply-chain attack, Bank of America’s $5B scandal, and Richard Heart’s arrest.
[TIMESTAMPS]
0:00 Intro
0:09 Redtober: Crypto Selloff & Early Bull
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10:38 Hot Inflation & AI Market Risks
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19:55 Ray Dalio's Debt Warning
26:23 Ledger's $102M Supply-Chain Attack
- @Ledger_Support
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31:34 France's Crypto Wallet Reporting Proposal
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34:52 Bank of America, CZ & Debanking
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41:15 Richard Heart Arrested
- @BitcoinNewsCom
- @ercwl
- @TrustlessState
48:43 PaperTrade's 1,000x Leverage Game
- @papertrade_xyz
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