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"Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm."
(Ephesians 6:13)
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I really hope and pray that everything works out for Samuel and his family.
He is also incredibly fortunate to have such a strong support network around him, and that's something he has every reason to be grateful for. Not everyone in a similar situation has the resources or the people willing and able to stand up for them.
I hope and believe that his situation has opened his eyes, and hopefully those of many others, to just how bureaucratic, confusing, and unforgiving immigration laws and border enforcement can be.
And I think that's a good thing.
Because frankly, I believe far too many people have been quick to shout things like "Deport them all!" over the years, without fully understanding how complicated these situations can be, or how cold-hearted and cruel such a black-and-white attitude can come across to the people whose lives are directly affected.
Even when someone genuinely wants to do everything the right way and makes every effort to follow the rules, things can still go wrong.
It's easy to say "Just follow the law!" from behind a keyboard. Actually navigating a complicated immigration system is another matter entirely.
I do believe in the need for strong border security and immigration enforcement, but that doesn't mean the agencies responsible for enforcing those laws are beyond criticism. ICE and DHS are far from infallible. At the end of the day, these agencies are run by people, and people are capable of making both honest mistakes and morally questionable decisions.
Information can be inaccurate or incomplete, judgment can be flawed, and decisions can have devastating consequences. And when the things go wrong, it's ordinary people and their families who pay the price.
I also think we need to be careful not to jump to conclusions about Samuel's particular case. We still don't know all the facts or exactly how things ended up this way.
Anything beyond what we actually know would be speculation, and I'd rather not engage in that.
I hope this situation encourages a little more humility, compassion, and understanding in how we talk about immigration and the people caught up in it.
Especially among Christians.
And the devil, masquerading as an angel of light, a "Christian Prince," took the CN-bro up and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time, and said to him:
"To you, white man, I will give all this authority and their glory, for it has been withheld from you, and delivered to me, and I give it to whom I will. If you, then, will bow down and worship me, it will all be yours."
And the CN-bro said:
"Holy based. Every demographic I blame my problems on will seethe. Take my soul. Where do I sign???"
What I’ve learned in the past two years:
Too many young men in America have suddenly become “Christian” for the aesthetic alone and don’t know a single thing about Jesus or His gospel.
It’s the most spiritually dangerous revival I’ve ever seen because their faith shows no fruit evidence of actually being a saving faith.
Their fruit is resentment, hate, perversion, pride, and ignorance.
They don’t understand grace. They don’t know what a testimony is. They don’t know that ALL have sinned or the implications of that fact. They don’t value humility, or meekness. They don’t value Christs commands beyond the few proof-texts they can twist to grasp at power or vainglory.
They use worldly wisdom, priorities and judgement and just slap Jesus’ name on it.
The church needs to stand up and fight this. These men are going to hell and taking thousands with them.
Most definitely.
Joel Webbon used to share quite openly about his struggles.
If you're interested, here's a collection of some of his older posts about personal matters, arranged in order of how revealing I find them.
Read together, they tell a remarkably coherent story and reveal a striking degree of self-awareness.
It's quite painful to compare the insights he had back then with what he has since chosen to embrace.
I could write an entire article exploring those contradictions, but I think I'll let the posts speak for themselves and leave people to draw their own conclusions.
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1. Why I Should Not Have Planted A Church
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2. A Letter Of Apology web.archive.org/web/20151006…
3. Persecution Is Not The Same As Receiving Consequences For Being A Jerk web.archive.org/web/20190820…
4. Anxiety, Panic Attacks, And The Gospel web.archive.org/web/20151003…
5. Five Levels of Leadership web.archive.org/web/20140803…
6. Five Things All Great Leaders Do Well web.archive.org/web/20150812…
7. Does Your "God" Ever Disagree With You? web.archive.org/web/20190820…
8. But What About Habitual Sin? web.archive.org/web/20190820…
9. Loving Jesus While Being Afraid Of His Dad web.archive.org/web/20141129…
10. I'm Okay With A Lot Of Stuff, But There's One Thing I'm Still Legalistic About web.archive.org/web/20190820…
11. You're A New Creation But… web.archive.org/web/20190918…
12. When I Doubt web.archive.org/web/20150629…
13. Loving Those With Weaker Faith web.archive.org/web/20160608…
14. The Church Is A Whore, But I'm Still A Part Of It web.archive.org/web/20150826…
PropheticPatriarch ♱ retweeted
Give this old blog post from @JoelWebbon a read. PropheticPatriarch is exactly right. In summary, Webbon’s entire life has been seeking approval including manufacturing approval by tearing others down. This is not the kind of person who should be anywhere near the ministry.
I'm reminded of Joel's old article every once in a while.
It's quite telling.
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Some of my own thoughts:
Federal investigations have documented several cases in which ICE and DHS took immigration enforcement actions involving inaccurate or incomplete information, along with systemic problems with the accuracy and reliability of their records.
These are documented problems, not speculation.
Sources down below.
Therefore, a government accusation or decision should never automatically be treated as proof that the underlying facts are correct.
Biblical justice also requires hearing people before judging them:
📜 "He who answers before he hears, that is folly and shame to him." (Proverbs 18:13)
📜 "He who pleads his cause first seems right; until another comes and questions him." (Proverbs 18:17)
📜 "Does our law judge a man, unless it first hears from him personally and knows what he does?" (John 7:51)
Mob rule, collective condemnation, and judgment based on unverified accusations contradict these basic biblical principles.
In the Samuel Sey case, many people appear to be drawing uninformed conclusions without knowing all the facts.
Much of the discussion seems driven by speculation, emotional reactions, and unverified claims.
Some responses have been needlessly cruel, lacking any semblance of godliness or wisdom.
Christians should be especially careful about condemning people without sufficient evidence.
📜 "Judgment is without mercy to him who has shown no mercy" (James 2:13).
We, of all people, should understand and practice these principles, especially if we take God's judgment seriously.
Supporting law enforcement does not mean abandoning discernment, due process, or biblical justice.
For context the US army moved my husband to a different part of the country but kept losing the updated paperwork to adjust his BAH (basic allowance for housing) to the new rate. It’s been nearly six months with us being underpaid.
Let’s take the government claims with a grain of salt.
@JoelWBerry says Sam’s family will release a statement and is still claiming they have made every good faith attempt to comply with the law. Let’s hear both sides
Official government sources:
1. "Government Accountability Office (GAO), 2021: Immigration Enforcement and U.S. Citizenship Investigations" (gao.gov/products/gao-21-487)
2. "DHS Office of Inspector General, 2023: Problems with Migrant Records and Tracking"
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This review is excellent and deserves a wider audience.
Well done, @mellyneuf.
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(Some of my own thoughts below 🧵)
That is what makes this framework so concerning.
If it can misidentify the victim, excuse the perpetrator, pathologize legitimate resistance, discredit those who try to help, and give controlling behavior theological legitimacy, it risks reinforcing the very destructive dynamics a biblical counselor should be helping to recognize and expose.
Instead of bringing clarity and protection, it can easily leave an already vulnerable person even more trapped, isolated, confused, and unsure of whether they can even trust their own perception of what is happening.
And I genuinely don't understand why any rational man, let alone a professing Christian, would want to follow advice that risks teaching him to rationalize controlling, coercive, or abusive behavior as "biblical authority."
What Christian husband would want to become that kind of man?
Talk about missing the point of biblical counseling, faithfully shepherding the flock, and what it actually means for a husband to love his wife as Christ loved the church.
If you have no interest in listening to your wife or considering her opinions, then you're unfit for marriage and family life in general.
You shouldn't be pastoring or teaching in a church either.
Find another hobby that suits you better, like chewing rocks in the woods.
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying:
"Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
but of the moldy quesadilla leftovers
which are in the back of the refrigerator,
thou shalt not eat of them.
For they have been in there since last Tuesday,
and quite frankly, Adam, there is NO reason, under ANY circumstances, for thee to even..."
Adam:
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I do think saving yourself for marriage is a genuinely good, healthy, and beautiful thing.
I neither recommend nor condone sexual immorality, because I believe it harms people in several ways. It simply isn't worth it.
But I'll tell you what:
As a Christian man, I would much rather marry a humble former prostitute who has had a genuine change of heart, sincerely repented, come to understand the goodness of Christ, and now shares that grace with others
than a self-righteous virgin who can't stop going on about how much better she is than others, how shameful and worthless non-virgins are, and who even goes so far as to bully and shame those who have found salvation and freedom in Christ.
I really want to emphasize just how deeply the latter mindset repulses me.
As a matter of fact, I think I'd personally rather be launched into the sun, since that would be a quicker and less painful death than being married to the self-appointed commissar of everyone else's sexual past.
📜 "And Jesus spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, 'God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.'
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, 'God be merciful to me a sinner.'
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted." (Luke 18:9-14)
📜 "And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head.
Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.
My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.
Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.
And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?
And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace." (Luke 7:44-50)
📜 "Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." (Hebrews 4:14-16)