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Rich coming from someone who willfully would first and foremost identify themselves with a man and his man-made systematic over the One who saved us.
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Ron responded to an argument I didn't make.
My point was never that Protestants are bound by every post-apostolic council. My point is historical.
Calvinism's distinctive doctrines were repeatedly condemned by the Church long before Calvin & later explicitly condemned by name at Jerusalem.
Appealing to Trent is a red herring. Protestants reject Trent because they reject Rome's authority, not because Trent failed to condemn Protestant doctrines. Likewise, quoting Westminster only explains why Calvinists reject Arles, Orange, Mainz, Quierzy & Jerusalem. It doesn't change the historical fact that those councils rejected doctrines later codified in Calvinism.
So the question isn't whether Calvinists feel bound by the findings of the historic Church. The question is whether those councils condemned doctrines substantially identical to later Calvinism. If Ron thinks they didn't, then he should engage the actual canons of Arles, Orange, Mainz, Quierzy & Jerusalem instead of changing the subject to Trent.
And for Calvinist like @WesleyLHuff I encourage them to answer why they adhere to doctrines the Church has long condemned... both East and West... as well as pre-Schism.
Is a prime example of difference between reading what scripture ACTUALLY says & ONLY what scripture says VS inserting your doctrinal framework into the text DEPSITE the fallacies
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@Soteriology101 @CherylSchatz @YourCalvinist @Pastor_ChrisH @Pastor_Gabe
A great example of how one person that has a loyalty to doctrine over scripture can say stuff so untrue that can be refuted so easily. @iamrjknight
How anyone can say those chosen by God are united in Christ.
I chose you and one of you is the devil. SMH
IN ALL CASES it is chosen for service or blessing.
Jeremiah, you are losing the plot of all of scripture because of your loyalty to your doctrine. You said those chosen are defined by union with Christ. REALLY?
Judas was chosen by Christ.
Pharoah was chosen
King Saul was chosen.
SMH
@oliverburdick #chosen #chose #elect #election @soteriology101
OLD TESTAMENT
Deuteronomy 7:6–7
“For you are a holy people to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth. It was not because you were more in number than any other people that the LORD set his love on you and chose you, for you were the fewest of all peoples,”
Deuteronomy 14:2
“For you are a people holy to the LORD your God, and the LORD has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.”
Deuteronomy 18:5
“For the LORD your God has chosen him out of all your tribes to stand and minister in the name of the LORD, him and his sons for all time.”
1 Samuel 10:24
“And Samuel said to all the people, “Do you see him whom the LORD has chosen? There is none like him among all the people.” And all the people shouted, “Long live the king!””
1 Samuel 12:13
“And now behold the king whom you have chosen, for whom you have asked; behold, the LORD has set a king over you.”
2 Samuel 6:21
“And David said to Michal, “It was before the LORD, who chose me above your father and above all his house, to appoint me as prince over Israel, the people of the LORD—and I will celebrate before the LORD.”
1 Chronicles 28:4–5
“Yet the LORD God of Israel chose me from all my father’s house to be king over Israel forever. For he chose Judah as leader, and in the house of Judah my father’s house, and among my father’s sons he took pleasure in me to make me king over all Israel. And of all my sons (for the LORD has given me many sons) he has chosen Solomon my son to sit on the throne of the kingdom of the LORD over Israel.”
1 Chronicles 28:10
“Be careful now, for the LORD has chosen you to build a house for the sanctuary; be strong and do it.”
Psalm 33:12
“Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, the people whom he has chosen as his heritage!”
Psalm 105:6
“O offspring of Abraham, his servant, children of Jacob, his chosen ones!”
Psalm 105:43
“So he brought his people out with joy, his chosen ones with singing.”
Psalm 106:5
“that I may look upon the prosperity of your chosen ones, that I may rejoice in the gladness of your nation, that I may glory with your inheritance.”
Psalm 132:13
“For the LORD has chosen Zion; he has desired it for his dwelling place:”
Isaiah 41:8–9
“But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, the offspring of Abraham, my friend; you whom I took from the ends of the earth, and called from its farthest corners, saying to you, ‘You are my servant, I have chosen you and not cast you off’;”
Isaiah 42:1
“Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights; I have put my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the nations.”
Isaiah 43:20
“The wild beasts will honor me, the jackals and the ostriches, for I give water in the wilderness, rivers in the desert, to give drink to my chosen people,”
Isaiah 44:1–2
“But now hear, O Jacob my servant, Israel whom I have chosen! Thus says the LORD who made you, who formed you from the womb and will help you: Fear not, O Jacob my servant, Jeshurun whom I have chosen.”
Isaiah 45:4
“For the sake of my servant Jacob, and Israel my chosen, I call you by your name, I name you, though you do not know me.”
Isaiah 65:9, 15 (v. 9 uses “chosen”)
“I will bring forth offspring from Jacob, and from Judah possessors of my mountains; my chosen shall possess it, and my servants shall dwell there. … But you who forsake the LORD… shall leave your name as a curse to my chosen…”
Haggai 2:23
“On that day, declares the LORD of hosts, I will take you, O Zerubbabel my servant, the son of Shealtiel, declares the LORD, and make you like a signet ring, for I have chosen you, declares the LORD of hosts.”
NEW TESTAMENT
Matthew 12:18
“Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put my Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles.”
Matthew 22:14
“For many are called, but few are chosen.”
Matthew 24:22, 24, 31
22 “And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.”
24 “For false christs and false prophets will arise… so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.”
31 “And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
Mark 13:20, 22, 27
20 “And if the Lord had not cut short the days, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he shortened the days.”
22 “For false christs and false prophets will arise… to lead astray, if possible, the elect.”
27 “And then he will send out the angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.”
Luke 9:35
“And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, my Chosen One; listen to him!””
Luke 18:7
“And will not God give justice to his elect, who cry to him day and night? Will he delay long over them?”
Luke 23:35
“And the people stood by, watching, but the rulers scoffed at him, saying, “He saved others; let him save himself, if he is the Christ of God, his Chosen One!””
John 6:70
“Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.””
John 13:18
“I am not speaking of all of you; I know whom I have chosen. But the Scripture will be fulfilled, ‘He who ate my bread has lifted his heel against me.’”
John 15:16
“You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide…”
John 15:19
“If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.”
Acts 1:2
“until the day when he was taken up, after he had given commands through the Holy Spirit to the apostles whom he had chosen.”
Acts 1:24
“And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which one of these two you have chosen”
Acts 9:15
“But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel.”
Acts 13:17
“The God of this people Israel chose our fathers and made the people great during their stay in the land of Egypt…”
Romans 8:33
“Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.”
Romans 16:13
“Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord; also his mother, who has been a mother to me as well.”
1 Corinthians 1:27–28
“But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are,”
Ephesians 1:4
“even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him.”
Colossians 3:12
“Put on then, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience,”
1 Timothy 5:21
“In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of the elect angels I charge you to keep these rules without prejudging, doing nothing from partiality.”
2 Timothy 2:10
“Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.”
Titus 1:1
“Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the sake of the faith of God’s elect and their knowledge of the truth, which accords with godliness,”
James 2:5
“Listen, my beloved brothers, has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, which he has promised to those who love him?”
1 Peter 1:1
“Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who are elect exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,”
1 Peter 2:4
“As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious,”
1 Peter 2:6
“For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.””
1 Peter 2:9
“But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.”
2 John 1
“The elder to the elect lady and her children, whom I love in truth…”
2 John 13
“The children of your elect sister greet you.”
Revelation 17:14
“They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful.”
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Sheep are followers. The sheep referred to in John 10 are followers of the Father. They trusted and believed the Son because they spoke the same message and had the same voice. While Christ was on earth HE ONLY came for the Lost House of Israel. The apostles never even knew salvation was for the gentiles until after CHRIST ascended which is why He said when He is raised up he will draw all people unto HImself. John is clear about that all the way through. The sheep of another fold were the few Gentiles that followed and feared the Father like the Centurion and the Eunich, etc.
Such a notion that we have always been in Christ and His sheep subverts the very foundation of the Gospel of what our position was after the fall/before we are saved vs. what our position is after we are saved.
We were enemies of God, children of wrath, not known by God or knowing God before we were saved.
If we were always in Christ, always His sheep what are we being saved from?
Scripture is CRYSTAL clear:
Romans 8:9You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
John 5:45-47: “‘Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father; the one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have set your hope. For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?’”
Who was Christ talking to? Those Jews/self-professed followers of God and the Mosaic law who do not believe what Christ is saying or who He is. (So, if the Jews who were pushing back against what Jesus was preaching really were followers of God and students of Moses, then they would have believed Jesus’ message, and recognized what He was saying had already been proclaimed through Moses and Abraham, etc.. Note how Christ refers to the hope they put in Moses referring to the law as well and them not recognizing that Jesus came to fulfill the law.)
John 6:45: “‘It is written in the prophets, “And they shall all be taught of God.” Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.’”
(Jesus is calling them out on their claim that they know and follow the Father and have been taught by Him. We know all the Jews have been taught by the Father through oral tradition and the Toray but they have not all heard or learned from the Father or else they would believe what Christ says because the Father and Son are one and speak the same message. Those who have heard and learned from the Father come to the Son). I will repeat. All have been taught of God. Not all heard and learned from the Father though.
John 7:17: “‘If anyone is willing to do His will, he will know of the teaching, whether it is of God or whether I speak from Myself.’”
(If you are in right relationship with God the you’ll see the Father in the Son.)
John 8:19: “So they were saying to Him, ‘Where is Your Father?’ Jesus answered, ‘You know neither Me nor My Father; if you knew Me, you would know My Father also.’”
(Christ very pointedly rebukes them that if they actually knew God the Father they would know the Son but since they do not know the Father that is why they are rejecting Christ.
John 8:42: “Jesus said to them, ‘If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me.’”
John 8:47: “‘He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.’”
(This is a huge rebuke to the elite of the Jews who believed they were the closest to God and were the teachers and holders of the law of God. HE is saying they truly are not of God because they had not truly heard and learned. They are following their own religiousity they added to God’s word and created more rules and requirements)
John 12:44-45: “‘He who believes in Me, does not believe in Me but in Him who sent Me. He who sees Me sees the One who sent Me.’”
John 14:10: “…‘the Father abiding in Me does His works.’”
As Richard Coords summarizes, “In other words, it’s a pretty seamless transition, going from disciples of the Father to disciples of Christ— no unconditional election or Irresistible Grace is required, because the one’s given, drawn and granted by the Father to come to Christ are not the unwilling but the willing.”
The reason why everyone who is given, comes to Christ—with perfect consistency—simply echoes what Jesus had already said: If you believed Moses, “you would” believe Me. (John 5:46)
These very same ones are those who are referred to as the Sheep. Sheep are followers, we will get into this when we go through chapter 10. When Christ says I have other sheep who I will bring into this fold He was referring to the God fearing Gentiles like the Centurion or Cornelius who believed and followed the Father and would be given to the Son.
There were NO enemies of God, children of wrath, those who did not follow the Father but were supposedly elected before the foundation of the world that were spoken of as sheep of the Son. Romans 8:9 states that 9You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.”
We see this same message of Christ all the way through chapters 5 to 14. Let’s not forget that while Christ was on the earth He came only for the Lost House of Israel. It is not until Acts 10 that God reveals to the apostles that salvation is for the Gentiles as well. He then stated in John 12:32 that when He is raised up He will draw all men to Himself, both Jew and Gentile. I will put the scripture stating that Christ first came to the Lost House of Israel and who his sheep are in the comments below. Please do look at those. We will be discussing this much more when we discuss John 6 in totality.
Is @SoteriologyA1 really this inept. It would be interesting to see how many people he has blocked.....no discussion. no talking.....an then he blocke my personal account. ALL because it was not in one thread. If it wasnt more clear that SA is not a Christian account .....
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Bible: You must put your trust in Jesus to be saved.
Calvinism: God must unilaterally cause you to put your trust in Jesus to be saved.
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The Bible never says or even insinuates that “God has decreed whatsoever comes to pass.” Not once. In fact, it says just the opposite numerous times.
#Ephesians1 Explained. Have believers always been in #Christ ? @JohnPiper @johnmacarthur @VoddieBaucham @ApologiaStudios @Soteriology101 #apostlepaul #USINCHRISTJESUS @HwsEleutheroi
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THANK YOU!!
FINALLY!!!
@HwsEleutheroi take many seats.
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Now we all know #calvinism has its foundation on fallacies and inconsistencies but this one has to top the cake. @ReformedCaio @ackerman1517 @subq
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The irony.....Washer assuming able to choose to ask or not while upholding theistic determination.
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“Hi, my name is Phil. I’m kind of a big deal in a giant ministry. I regularly make fun of other Christian views with which I disagree. But you can’t joke about mine since they’re true.
But I promise I have a great sense of humor. Just ask all the yes-men in my echo chamber.”
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Question asked to Dr. James White "When a child is rap3d is God responsible and did He decree that rap3?" James answers yes. With #BaalGate ongoing this video should go viral.
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Here is where Augustine, a former Gnostic who had converted to Christianity, accused the church of teaching that faith earns salvation. He then defended the idea that predestination involves God giving faith to the chosen individuals, even acknowledging that he was the first to articulate this perspective. This would later become one of the most controversial doctrines in the church. 🤷♂️
