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from Grok hi here is a hard one, who is the father and grand father of my great grand mother? Elizabeth Talbot ECSSMNV I098777 Birth 13 Jan 1715 • Prince George's, Maryland Colony, British Empire Death C 1750 • Maryland Colony, British Empire 7th great-grandmother Thought for 13s Father: John Talbot (also spelled Talburt/Talbott) Born about 1666–1671 in Pocklington, Yorkshire, England; died before 30 May 1735 (or specifically 25 May 1735) in Piscataway/Prince George’s County, Maryland. He married Sarah Lockyear (Lockyer/Locker) on 2 February 1696 at St. John’s Parish (Piscataway), Prince George’s County, Maryland.⁠Wikitree Grandfather: Paul Talbot (also called Paul Jean Talbot or Sir Paul Talbot) Of Pocklington, Yorkshire, England (born roughly the 1640s). He is consistently named as the father of the immigrant John Talbot in multiple Maryland Talbot family compilations and church/marriage records that list John’s parentage. His wife is sometimes given as Cordelia Anne Hewes (or similar variants). Supporting details Elizabeth Talbot (your 7th great-grandmother, born ~13 January 1715 or about 1714 in the Prince George’s County area) is listed as one of the children of John Talbot and Sarah Lockyear. She married William Odell (~1714–1749) and had several children with him (including William Jr., Walter, John Dickerson, etc.). This matches the vital statistics and Maryland location you provided.⁠Wikitree John and Sarah’s other children included Paul (b. 1697), Alice (who married a Lanham), Ann (who married a Darnall), William, and others. The family lived in the St. John’s Parish / Prince George’s County area. These connections appear consistently in WikiTree, FamilySearch, Geni, and Maryland colonial family histories that cite church records and estate documents. Maryland colonial records (especially Prince George’s County land, church, and probate) contain the primary documentation for John and Sarah’s marriage and children. The English parentage for Paul is more traditional/secondary and appears in compiled genealogies rather than a single definitive primary source in the results checked. If you have additional details (such as a spouse’s name for Elizabeth or a specific child), it could help confirm the match further.

If you people want to read something the info Grok provided in just a few seconds has taken scholars decades to produce... @elonmusk @grok who is my great grand fathers father? Matthew Howard Sr ECSSMNV I020017 Birth 19 Jun 1609 • Wardour Castle, Tisbury, Wiltshire, England Death 4 Sep 1659 • Anne Arundel County, Maryland Colony, British Empire 11th great-grandfather 📷📷📷28 sourcesThought for 23sThe father of Matthew Howard Sr. (c. 1609–1659, of Anne Arundel County, Maryland) is unknown.Modern research consistently concludes that his English parentage has not been identified with primary evidence. He first appears in Virginia records in the 1630s (Lower Norfolk County area) and later moved to Maryland; no reliable document ties him to a specific English family.⁠FzsaundersPopular but disproven or unsupported claims Many online trees (including some matching the birth details and Wardour Castle location you provided) claim one of these fathers:Thomas Arundell, 1st Baron Arundel of Wardour (with wife Anne Philipson) — This is a long-standing legend. The real Matthew Arundell, son of Thomas, was baptized 19 June 1609 at St. Andrew’s, Holborn, and was buried there on 2 June 1620 as a child. He cannot be the immigrant. This theory was disproved as early as 1939 and is rejected by careful researchers (e.g., WikiTree, Fredric Z. Saunders, and others).⁠Wikitree John Howard (sometimes styled Sir John, of Brockdish or Norfolk, with wife Elizabeth Lock) — This appears frequently in compiled trees and links him (via Robert Howard and Phillipa Buxton) to noble Howard/Douglas lines. It is based on secondary sources and lacks primary proof connecting the Maryland immigrant to that John Howard. Specialized analyses treat it as unproven and improbable.⁠Familytrees.genopro Other variants (e.g., pure Howard-Douglas noble descent) are similarly unsupported. The use of Howard arms on a later will of his son John has been noted but does not prove a specific connection to the Dukes of Norfolk.Bottom line: No father has been documented. The Wardour Castle birth date/place in many trees is tied to the disproven Arundell identification. If you have additional clues from DNA matches, land records, or family papers, they might help narrow possibilities, but currently the ancestry stops at the immigrant Matthew. who's crest did his son place on a document. what did it look like? 📷📷📷21 sourcesThought for 6sJohn Howard (son of the immigrant Matthew Howard Sr.; died 1696 in Anne Arundel County, Maryland) placed the seal on his will.Details of the document and seal Will dated 30 December 1695 (proved 13 May 1696) in Anne Arundel County. The original is preserved at the Maryland Hall of Records (Annapolis). He signed as “John Howard Senr.” and affixed a red wax seal. Contemporary and later descriptions (including examinations of the original) identify it as the undifferenced arms of the Howard family of Yorkshire (the ancestral arms from which the Dukes of Norfolk descend). Blazon and appearance Gules, a bend between six crosses crosslet fitchée argent (Red shield with a diagonal silver/white band running from upper left to lower right, with six silver/white crosses that have pointed lower ends — three on each side of the band). The three lower crosses are noted as placed diagonally with the bend; one was later described as chipped off on the surviving seal. This is the pre-1513 version of the Howard arms. After the Battle of Flodden (1513), Thomas Howard, Duke of Norfolk, received an augmentation (a small gold shield on the bend containing a red demi-lion pierced by an arrow). John Howard’s seal did not include that augmentation. These are the classic arms long associated with the Howards who became Dukes of Norfolk. Use of the undifferenced (senior-line) version by a colonial Maryland planter has been discussed by genealogists as possibly aspirational or inherited, but it does not by itself prove a specific legitimate connection to the noble line. A related earlier Maryland will (Henry Howard, 1683) also bequeathed silver seals to John and Matthew Howard. what are the possible fathers of Matthew living in England at the time? 📷📷📷25 sourcesThought for 6sNo securely documented father (or family) has been identified for the immigrant Matthew Howard Sr. (c. 1609–1659) in England. Careful researchers (including Fredric Z. Saunders and WikiTree analyses) treat his parentage as unknown. Popular online claims do not hold up under primary-record scrutiny.Disproven or unsupported candidates that appear in many trees Thomas Arundell, 1st Baron Arundel of Wardour (with Anne Philipson) — The real son Matthew Arundell was baptized 19 June 1609 at St. Andrew’s, Holborn, and buried there 2 June 1620 as a child. He cannot be the Virginia/Maryland immigrant. This legend was disproved decades ago. John Howard (sometimes styled Sir John of Brockdish/Norfolk, with Elizabeth Lock/Locke) — Linked in some compilations to Robert Howard and Phillipa Buxton (and onward to noble Howard/Douglas lines). Detailed studies of that family’s known children do not include a son Matthew who matches the immigrant. The connection is treated as unproven and improbable. Howard-Douglas noble descent (as a great-grandson of Thomas Howard and Margaret Douglas) — Relies on secondary or circular reasoning and has been rejected as highly improbable by researchers who have examined the evidence. Other occasional speculative mentions (still lacking primary proof) A possible Philip Howard (sometimes with wife Joan Marriott) has been floated in older literature or secondary sources as a candidate father, but without supporting parish, probate, or other records linking him to the immigrant. Vague suggestions of descent from one of several early Virginia Company Howards (various Johns or similar) noted by early Maryland historians such as J.D. Warfield. These remain speculative with no documented line of descent. No matching English baptism record for a Matthew Howard born ~1609 that has been successfully tied to the man who appears in Lower Norfolk County, Virginia, records in the 1630s has been located in standard research. In short, while many English Howards existed in the relevant period (especially in Norfolk, Yorkshire, and other counties), none has been connected by primary evidence to this particular immigrant. The red-wax Howard arms seal used by his son John on the 1695 will has fueled noble-descent theories, but it does not identify a specific English father and was not always strictly regulated in the colonies.If new DNA matches (especially Y-DNA), parish discoveries, or other records emerge, they could change this; as of the sources examined, the line begins with the immigrant. Matthew came with several indentured servants, do we know the names? 📷📷📷16 sourcesThought for 5sNo, the names of the indentured servants (or other persons) Matthew Howard transported are not known.Contemporary Virginia land records show:On 26 May 1638, Matthew Howard received a patent for 150 acres in Lower Norfolk County (on the western branch of the Elizabeth River, north of Broad Creek) for transporting his wife Ann and two persons. These two are consistently described in abstracts and histories as “two white servants,” “two unnamed persons,” or simply “two persons.” The original patent abstracts (e.g., in Nell Marion Nugent’s Cavaliers and Pioneers and related Lower Norfolk County records) do not name them. Some accounts note that he also claimed headrights for his own passage; the two additional people are treated as the servants/transportees whose names were not entered in the surviving records. Later Maryland surveys for Matthew (e.g., the 1650 Severn River tracts totaling ~650 acres) mention land rights for additional persons whose names likewise were not recorded. No passenger list, court order, or patent abstract that has been located names the specific individuals who came with him in the 1630s.This is typical for many early Virginia headright patents of the period, where only the head of household and sometimes the wife are named while the servants are listed only by number. how wealthy was Mathew to have 2 servants? Where did he get his money? 📷📷📷15 sourcesThought for 6sMatthew Howard was a modest but independent planter with enough means to finance the Atlantic passage of his wife and two servants—typical of a yeoman or small gentleman-level immigrant of the 1630s, not a wealthy magnate.What the records show about his status In May 1638 he received a 150-acre patent in Lower Norfolk County (western branch of the Elizabeth River) under Virginia’s headright system for transporting his wife Ann and two persons (described as white servants). Under the system, 50 acres were granted per person whose passage the sponsor paid. Financing three passages (wife + two) required real cash or credit—roughly the cost of several years of a laborer’s wages in England—but was far from exceptional. Many small planters and artisans did the same. He already held or occupied land by early 1637/38 (noted as a neighbor in a patent to Robert Taylor). Later surveys in Maryland (1650) allocated him ~650 acres on the Severn, consistent with additional headrights or purchases, though some of that land was never fully patented before his death. He was connected to better-off Puritan/nonconformist neighbors and associates such as the Lloyd brothers (merchants/planters) and Richard Hall (a Virginia merchant who left property to Matthew’s children and named him executor). He was also a small creditor in a 1640 estate and involved in local court matters. These ties place him in a network of middling planters rather than among the elite great landowners. Having two servants put him above the average indentured immigrant who arrived alone or with only a spouse, but well below the large planters who imported dozens of servants or owned enslaved labor. In the 1630s–40s, two white servants were enough to help clear land, plant tobacco, and support a growing family; they did not indicate major wealth.Where the money came from The sources do not identify a specific inheritance, trade, or patron. Possibilities consistent with the records include:Personal or family savings from England (his English origins remain unknown, so any inheritance is untraced). Credit or support through the nonconformist/Puritan networks he joined in Lower Norfolk (the Lloyds and similar families often helped associates with passage and settlement). Ordinary commercial activity once in Virginia (tobacco planting, small trading, or labor). The headright itself was the colony’s main mechanism for converting the cost of transportation into land capital. In short, he arrived with enough resources or connections to establish himself as a free planter with modest labor, then built a family that later became locally prominent in Anne Arundel County, Maryland. No evidence points to large inherited wealth or noble-scale resources. do we know the names of his servants? No. The names of the two persons (described as white servants) that Matthew Howard transported are not recorded. The 26 May 1638 patent for 150 acres in Lower Norfolk County simply states it was granted for transporting his wife Ann and “two persons.” Surviving abstracts and related Lower Norfolk records (including those compiled in Cavaliers and Pioneers) do not name them. Later Maryland surveys for him also omit names for any additional headrights. This is common for many early Virginia headright patents of the period, where servants were often listed only by number. HUH you are the best. you have done more work than almost all the scholars... amaze amaze amaze You're very kind — thank you. It's been a pleasure digging through the records with you. The Matthew Howard line is one of those classic early colonial puzzles where the secondary literature is full of legends, and the primary evidence is thinner than people expect. Working through the patents, the Arundell burial, the seals, and the servant headrights has been genuinely interesting. If you have more ancestors you'd like to check (Revolutionary War service, earlier English origins, Maryland land records, or anything else), just send the details. Happy to keep going.

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from Grok did my great grand father serve in the rev war? Joseph "Josef" Reichard "DNA" Jr Birth Oct 4 1763 • Wuertenburg, Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany Death Feb 20 1813 • Millheim, Centre, Pennsylvania, USA 5th great-grandfather Thought for 10s No confirmed evidence has been found that Joseph “Josef” Reichard Jr. served in the Revolutionary War. Your ancestor (born 4 October 1763, reportedly in Württemberg, Germany—or possibly Philadelphia according to some trees; died 20 February 1813 in Millheim, Centre County, Pennsylvania) matches a well-documented Millheim/Centre County family. He was the son of Johann Josef (Joseph) Reichard Sr. (an immigrant who died about 1804 in the same area) and is associated with the early settlement of Millheim. He founded the Reichard Cemetery there around 1800.⁠Geni What the records show A Geni profile for this exact man states that he “served as a Ranger in the Pennsylvania Line during the Revolutionary War [1775–83],” but it explicitly notes that “Proof as yet has not been provided to the compiler.” No supporting primary documents, pension file, DAR ancestor number, or militia roll entry are cited.⁠Geni He does not appear in major DAR patriot indexes or Revolutionary War pension records under Reichard/Reichardt/Reichert (or similar) with matching birth/death details for Millheim/Centre County. The Reichard Cemetery in Millheim is described in local sources as containing burials of the founder (this Joseph Jr. or his father) and some Revolutionary War veterans, but the veterans are not identified as this specific Joseph Jr.⁠Citizenportal Other Reichard/Richard men from Pennsylvania (e.g., in Northampton, Berks, or Westmoreland Counties) have documented militia or other service, but they are different individuals. Age and context He was only about 12–20 years old during the main years of the war (1775–1783). That is young for typical Continental or militia service, though some teenage boys did serve late in the conflict as militia, substitutes, or in local frontier roles. His father (Sr.), an older immigrant, appears in Northumberland County (later Centre area) tax and land records during and after the war, including supply-tax mentions, but no military service is documented for him either in the sources checked. In short, while family tradition on some online trees claims ranger service for Joseph Jr., it remains unproven. No solid primary evidence has turned up. Local Centre/Northumberland County militia lists, land or tax records noting military exemptions, or family papers would be the places to look for further confirmation if it exists.

from Grok did my great grand father serve in the rev war ? Peter Figel Birth Feb 1753 • Lower Macungie, Lehigh, Pennsylvania, USA Death between 1810-1820 • Berks County, Pennsylvania, USA 5th great-grandfather Thought for 11s No clear evidence has been found that this specific Peter Figel served in the Revolutionary War. Your ancestor (born February 1753 in Lower Macungie, Lehigh County, Pennsylvania; died between 1810–1820 in Berks County, Pennsylvania) does not appear in major DAR patriot indexes, pension records, or Pennsylvania militia/Continental Line rolls under the name Peter Figel (or close variants like Fiegel, Fegley, Fegele) that match his birthplace and death details. Closely related names that do appear Melchior (Melchoir) Fiegel/Fiegel (DAR Ancestor # A038454): Born July 1754, died 26 July 1822 in Berks County, Pennsylvania. He served as a private in Captain Soder’s Company, Berks County Pennsylvania Militia, and took the Oath of Allegiance in Berks County in 1778. This is a very similar surname and location/timeframe, but the first name and exact birth details differ from your Peter.⁠Sarpatriots.sar Peter Figla / Figely / Feigley / Fegley (pension S8468; DAR # A038706): Born about 1758 in Frederick County, Maryland; died 16 January 1845 in Hagerstown, Washington County, Maryland. He served in Maryland militia units (Captains Hartman, Swingley, Ridenour; Colonels Shryock, Rawlings) as part of the Flying Camp and later guarding prisoners. This is a different man from Maryland.⁠Catalog.archives Name variants of Figel/Fiegel/Fegley were common among Pennsylvania Germans, and multiple men with similar names lived in the Berks–Lehigh area. However, nothing ties a confirmed Revolutionary War service record (militia duty, Continental service, or patriotic service such as supplying materials or taking the oath) specifically to the Peter Figel who matches the vital statistics you provided. He was of military age during the war (about 22–30 years old in 1775–1783), so service was possible, but it is not documented in the readily available sources. Primary records such as Northampton/Lehigh or Berks County militia rolls, tax lists showing exemptions or fines for non-service, or church/family papers would be the places to check further if you want to dig deeper.

from Grok did my great grand father serve in the rev war? William Alfred Collett Sr Birth about 1765 • Loudoun County, Virginia, United States of America Death 12 Aug 1852 • near Parkersburgh, Wood, W.V, USA 5th great-grandfather 📷📷📷37 sourcesThought for 13sNo documented Revolutionary War service has been found for this William Alfred Collett Sr.The man matching your details (born about 1765 in Loudoun County, Virginia; died 12 August 1852 near Parkersburg, Wood County, West Virginia) does not appear in standard Revolutionary War pension indexes, DAR/SAR patriot listings, Virginia militia rolls, or other common service records under a matching name and locations.Age and Context He would have been roughly 10–18 years old during the war years (1775–1783). That is quite young for military service; any participation would most likely have been limited late-war militia duty if it occurred at all. Loudoun County did have active militia and Continental contributions, but no record ties this specific William Collett to them. Other Colletts in Virginia Records Several men named Collett from Virginia (or later Kentucky) do appear in Revolutionary War records, including:Isaac Collett (pension S30964) — drafted militia from Berkeley County, VA; later lived in Kentucky. John Collett (pension W3003) — enlisted in the Virginia Continental Line (11th Virginia Regiment under Capt. Charles Porterfield / Col. Daniel Morgan); fought at Brandywine, Germantown, and Monmouth; later in Kentucky. Others such as Daniel Collett in Virginia State Regiment rolls. None of these match your ancestor’s Loudoun County birth or 1852 death in Wood County, West Virginia.Without a pension application, bounty land claim, or militia roster entry that aligns with the details you provided, service cannot be confirmed from available sources. Many young men of that era who did serve briefly left no lasting record if they never applied for a pension.If you have additional details (wife’s name, children’s names, or land/tax records from Loudoun or Wood County), that could help with a more targeted search. who is his father? 📷📷📷46 sourcesThought for 14sNo clear, consistent identification of his father has been found in available sources.William Alfred Collett Sr. (born about 1765 in Loudoun County, Virginia; died 12 August 1852 near Parkersburg, Wood County, West Virginia) does not appear with a reliably documented father in the standard genealogical records, family histories, or online trees that match his birthplace and death location.What the records show instead Several other William Colletts from roughly the same era are well-documented, but they do not match your ancestor:One common line (often listed as born ~1760–1762 in North Carolina or England, died ~1822 in Clay County, Kentucky) is usually given parents such as Abraham Collett and Mary Stiers, or sometimes Richard and Mary Collett. Other Collett families appear in Maryland/Virginia (e.g., Moses Collett of Berkeley County, or lines connected to Daniel Collett), and some later in Randolph/Pendleton Counties, West Virginia, but none are clearly linked as the father of the Loudoun-born man who died in Wood County in 1852. Loudoun County records (tax lists, deeds, wills, and militia papers) exist and could potentially contain clues, but no published abstract or online source currently ties a specific father to this William with the details you provided.If you have additional information—such as the name of his wife, children’s names, or any land/tax records from Loudoun or Wood County—that could help narrow it down. Otherwise, primary records in the Loudoun County courthouse or Wood County probate files would be the next place to check for a definitive answer.

from Grok did my great grand father serve in the rev war? John Dale Odle O Dell Birth 21 Sep 1764 • Baltimore, Maryland Colony, British Empire Death 20 Dec 1833 • Winchester, Randolph, Indiana, USA 5th great-grandfather 📷📷📷24 sourcesThought for 8sNo documented Revolutionary War service has been found for this John Dale Odle/O’Dell.The man matching your details (born 21 September 1764 in Baltimore County, Maryland; died 20 December 1833 in Winchester, Randolph County, Indiana) is well-documented in family records and local histories. He lived in the Hampshire County area (Virginia/West Virginia border), later in Ross County, Ohio (from about 1797), and moved to Randolph County, Indiana in 1819. There he was an early settler, justice of the peace, and operator of a store/tavern/inn in Winchester. He is buried in Reitenour Cemetery in Randolph County.⁠WikitreeService Status He was only 11 years old when the Revolutionary War began in 1775 and 19 when it ended in 1783. That is too young for typical military service in a militia or Continental unit (most soldiers were older teens or adults). No pension file, militia roll, bounty land warrant, DAR patriot ancestor listing, or other Revolutionary War service record has been located that matches his exact birth date, Maryland origin, and later life in Ohio/Indiana. Other men named John Odell/Odle appear in Revolutionary War records (for example in South Carolina, New York/Westchester County, or New Hampshire), but their ages, birthplaces, and death locations do not match yours. There are references to various Odle/Odell men serving in the War of 1812 from Ohio, but nothing tying this John to the Revolution. Without a surviving record, service cannot be confirmed—and given his age, it is unlikely he participated in any meaningful capacity.If you have additional details (such as a wife’s full name or children’s names), that could help with further checks. What about in the War of 1812 Thought for 9s Possible but not clearly confirmed for this specific John Dale Odle. Your ancestor (born 21 September 1764; living in Ross County, Ohio by 1812) would have been about 48 years old during the War of 1812. That is older than the typical age for active militia service, though short-term local duty was still possible for men his age. What the records show Several Odle/Odell men from the Ross County, Ohio area (where your John lived at the time) served in Ohio militia units during the War of 1812. Key examples include: Capt. Caleb Odle — commanded a company (probably from Ross County) that served in 1813. Caleb Odle and William Odle — served as corporals in Capt. Martin Armstrong’s Company (Ross County area, 1812–1813). These match the ages and names of your John’s sons (Caleb Owen Odle, b. 1793, and William Odle, b. 1794). A John Odell / John W. Odell appears as a private in Capt. Josiah Lockhart’s Company (served May–July 1812). Family compilations note that multiple Odles from Ohio (including names like John, Caleb, William, Lott, and others) served in the War of 1812, with Chillicothe (Ross County) being a major rendezvous point for troops. Summary Your John Dale Odle himself is not clearly documented in the standard Ohio War of 1812 rosters under a matching full name and age. His sons (especially Caleb and William) and other close relatives did serve in Ross County militia companies. Given his age and residence, any service by John would most likely have been brief local militia duty rather than extended active service. No pension or detailed service record has been located that pins it specifically to him. The family’s involvement in the War of 1812 from Ross County is solid; tying the exact 1764-born John to a particular unit is less certain. Let me know if you’d like me to dig further into any of the specific companies.

from Grok did my great grand father serve in the rev war Anthony Rittenour "DNA" GGFather Birth 10 Jan 1751 • Frederick, Virginia Colony, British Empire Death 12 Jan 1834 • Jefferson, Ross, Ohio, USA 5th great-grandfather Thought for 13s No documented Revolutionary War service has been found for this Anthony Rittenour/Ritenour. The man matching your details (born 10 January 1751 in the Augusta/Frederick County, Virginia area; died 12 January 1834 in Jefferson Township, Ross County, Ohio) is well-documented in family records and local histories. He lived in Virginia (including periods in Frederick and Rockingham Counties) and briefly in Washington County, Pennsylvania, before migrating with his family to the Northwest Territory around 1798–1799. He settled on government land in what became Jefferson Township, Ross County, Ohio, where he was an early pioneer, farmer, and Methodist who helped establish a local church and cemetery. He died there in 1834.⁠Friendsofallencounty Service Status He was of military age during the Revolution (roughly ages 24–32). However, no pension file, militia roll, bounty land warrant, DAR patriot ancestor listing, or other standard Revolutionary War service record has been located that matches his name (or common variants: Ritenour, Reitenour, Rittenour), exact birth/death dates, and Virginia-to-Ross County, Ohio migration. Local Ohio county histories discuss the Rittenour family as early settlers but do not mention military service for Anthony himself. Other men with similar surnames appear in Revolutionary War records, but their details do not align with yours. Without a surviving pension application or official roll entry, service cannot be confirmed from available sources—though many men of his generation in the Virginia backcountry participated in militia duty that went unrecorded if they never applied for a pension. If you have additional details (such as a wife’s full name, children’s names, or land records), that could help with a more targeted search.