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If Christโ€™s bearing the punishment for sin makes it unjust for God to condemn that sinner, how can the elect remain under Godโ€™s wrath and liable to condemnation before faith? Christโ€™s satisfaction does not automatically entail the application of pardon. Otherwise, the elect would be justified from the moment of Christโ€™s satisfaction, apart from faith. Christ merited pardon through His satisfaction, but the actual remission of sins is conditional upon faith. Satisfaction is the meritorious ground of forgiveness, while faith is the divinely appointed condition of its application.
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๐•ฝ๐–Š๐–‹๐–”๐–—๐–’๐–Š๐–‰ ๐•ฝ๐–Š๐–™๐–—๐–Ž๐–Š๐–›๐–†๐–‘ ๐Ÿ•Š๏ธ retweeted
Reformed theologian Daniel Chamier on 1 Timothy 2:1โ€“4, rejecting the interpretation that God wills merely some from every class of men to be saved. โ€œVIII. Others explain the little word 'All' instead. And there are those who, distinguishing the kinds of individuals from the individuals of kinds, say that God wills all to be saved, that is, every kind of man: because there is no distinction before God of Jew and Greek: of free and slave: of rich and poor: of male and female. But yet, not to wish that all be saved, namely by going through individuals, so that no single person is omitted. Just as we say, Every animal was in Noah's ark: even though it is true that there were only certain ones from every species. he wishes all to be saved, who are saved: because no one is saved, except by his will. Thus it may be said: This Master teaches all the boys of this city: not because he teaches every single one: but because no one is taught, unless he himself teaches him. IX But neither of these distinctions seems suitable. For it is harsh to bend that statement, 'Not wishing any to perish,' to the kinds of individuals: And that statement certainly, 'He does not wish the death of the sinner,' seems to conflict; since death cannot be considered in the kinds of individuals: but in the individuals of the kinds. But also Paul's purpose goes elsewhere. For he commands that prayer be made, not for the kinds of individuals, but for the individuals of the kinds. Kings are an argument, and ฯ€ฮฌฮฝฯ„ฮตฯ‚ ฮฟแผฑ แผฮฝ แฝ‘ฯ€ฮตฯฮฟฯ‡แฟ‡ [all those who are in authority], for whom the Church prays individually, for various times and places. For example, for Nero at the time when the Apostle was writing this. It is not a good argument: Pray for Nero: because God wishes some Emperors to be saved. The other [interpretation] hits the same points equally. For, what is more foolish than if you say, God does not wish any to perish, of those who are saved? He does not wish the death of the sinner whom he wishes to be saved: Pray for Nero; because God wishes those who are to be saved to be saved? X. Therefore, we acquiesce to the distinction of the Will into ฮตแฝฮดฮฟฮบฮฏฮฑฮฝ [good pleasure] and ฮตแฝฮฑฯฮตฯƒฮฏฮฑฮฝ [approval]: First, because it is from the Scriptures, as we have observed elsewhere. Next, because it has nothing that is not consistent with the passages that are objected. For it is well said, Pray for Nero: because God wishes, by that will of ฮตแฝฮฑฯฮตฯƒฮฏฮฑ [approval], which is the rule of our actions, that all be saved: and, the Lord is patient, waiting for repentance: because the conversion, and therefore the salvation of the sinner, is more pleasing to him than his damnation. And finally, he does not wish the death of the sinner, in this same way: for Ezekiel also used the word ื—ืคืฅ [to delight in, take pleasure in, or desire], by which is signified, not simply to wish, but to acquiesce to some thing, to take delight in, to desire.โ€ โ€”Daniel Chamier, Panstratia Catholica, vol. 3, digital ed., p. 149, English trans. accessed through The Faith Received (Mere Orthodoxy)
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๐•ฝ๐–Š๐–‹๐–”๐–—๐–’๐–Š๐–‰ ๐•ฝ๐–Š๐–™๐–—๐–Ž๐–Š๐–›๐–†๐–‘ ๐Ÿ•Š๏ธ retweeted
Reformed theologian Daniel Chamier is spot on in his handing of 1 Tim 2:1-4. Itโ€™s not enough to say that we should pray for Trump because God wills some presidents to be saved. Rather, we pray for individuals of every kind because God wills their salvation, not merely the salvation of some within their respective classes.
Reformed theologian Daniel Chamier on 1 Timothy 2:1โ€“4, rejecting the interpretation that God wills merely some from every class of men to be saved. โ€œVIII. Others explain the little word 'All' instead. And there are those who, distinguishing the kinds of individuals from the individuals of kinds, say that God wills all to be saved, that is, every kind of man: because there is no distinction before God of Jew and Greek: of free and slave: of rich and poor: of male and female. But yet, not to wish that all be saved, namely by going through individuals, so that no single person is omitted. Just as we say, Every animal was in Noah's ark: even though it is true that there were only certain ones from every species. he wishes all to be saved, who are saved: because no one is saved, except by his will. Thus it may be said: This Master teaches all the boys of this city: not because he teaches every single one: but because no one is taught, unless he himself teaches him. IX But neither of these distinctions seems suitable. For it is harsh to bend that statement, 'Not wishing any to perish,' to the kinds of individuals: And that statement certainly, 'He does not wish the death of the sinner,' seems to conflict; since death cannot be considered in the kinds of individuals: but in the individuals of the kinds. But also Paul's purpose goes elsewhere. For he commands that prayer be made, not for the kinds of individuals, but for the individuals of the kinds. Kings are an argument, and ฯ€ฮฌฮฝฯ„ฮตฯ‚ ฮฟแผฑ แผฮฝ แฝ‘ฯ€ฮตฯฮฟฯ‡แฟ‡ [all those who are in authority], for whom the Church prays individually, for various times and places. For example, for Nero at the time when the Apostle was writing this. It is not a good argument: Pray for Nero: because God wishes some Emperors to be saved. The other [interpretation] hits the same points equally. For, what is more foolish than if you say, God does not wish any to perish, of those who are saved? He does not wish the death of the sinner whom he wishes to be saved: Pray for Nero; because God wishes those who are to be saved to be saved? X. Therefore, we acquiesce to the distinction of the Will into ฮตแฝฮดฮฟฮบฮฏฮฑฮฝ [good pleasure] and ฮตแฝฮฑฯฮตฯƒฮฏฮฑฮฝ [approval]: First, because it is from the Scriptures, as we have observed elsewhere. Next, because it has nothing that is not consistent with the passages that are objected. For it is well said, Pray for Nero: because God wishes, by that will of ฮตแฝฮฑฯฮตฯƒฮฏฮฑ [approval], which is the rule of our actions, that all be saved: and, the Lord is patient, waiting for repentance: because the conversion, and therefore the salvation of the sinner, is more pleasing to him than his damnation. And finally, he does not wish the death of the sinner, in this same way: for Ezekiel also used the word ื—ืคืฅ [to delight in, take pleasure in, or desire], by which is signified, not simply to wish, but to acquiesce to some thing, to take delight in, to desire.โ€ โ€”Daniel Chamier, Panstratia Catholica, vol. 3, digital ed., p. 149, English trans. accessed through The Faith Received (Mere Orthodoxy)
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Reformed theologian Daniel Chamier on 1 Timothy 2:1โ€“4, rejecting the interpretation that God wills merely some from every class of men to be saved. โ€œVIII. Others explain the little word 'All' instead. And there are those who, distinguishing the kinds of individuals from the individuals of kinds, say that God wills all to be saved, that is, every kind of man: because there is no distinction before God of Jew and Greek: of free and slave: of rich and poor: of male and female. But yet, not to wish that all be saved, namely by going through individuals, so that no single person is omitted. Just as we say, Every animal was in Noah's ark: even though it is true that there were only certain ones from every species. he wishes all to be saved, who are saved: because no one is saved, except by his will. Thus it may be said: This Master teaches all the boys of this city: not because he teaches every single one: but because no one is taught, unless he himself teaches him. IX But neither of these distinctions seems suitable. For it is harsh to bend that statement, 'Not wishing any to perish,' to the kinds of individuals: And that statement certainly, 'He does not wish the death of the sinner,' seems to conflict; since death cannot be considered in the kinds of individuals: but in the individuals of the kinds. But also Paul's purpose goes elsewhere. For he commands that prayer be made, not for the kinds of individuals, but for the individuals of the kinds. Kings are an argument, and ฯ€ฮฌฮฝฯ„ฮตฯ‚ ฮฟแผฑ แผฮฝ แฝ‘ฯ€ฮตฯฮฟฯ‡แฟ‡ [all those who are in authority], for whom the Church prays individually, for various times and places. For example, for Nero at the time when the Apostle was writing this. It is not a good argument: Pray for Nero: because God wishes some Emperors to be saved. The other [interpretation] hits the same points equally. For, what is more foolish than if you say, God does not wish any to perish, of those who are saved? He does not wish the death of the sinner whom he wishes to be saved: Pray for Nero; because God wishes those who are to be saved to be saved? X. Therefore, we acquiesce to the distinction of the Will into ฮตแฝฮดฮฟฮบฮฏฮฑฮฝ [good pleasure] and ฮตแฝฮฑฯฮตฯƒฮฏฮฑฮฝ [approval]: First, because it is from the Scriptures, as we have observed elsewhere. Next, because it has nothing that is not consistent with the passages that are objected. For it is well said, Pray for Nero: because God wishes, by that will of ฮตแฝฮฑฯฮตฯƒฮฏฮฑ [approval], which is the rule of our actions, that all be saved: and, the Lord is patient, waiting for repentance: because the conversion, and therefore the salvation of the sinner, is more pleasing to him than his damnation. And finally, he does not wish the death of the sinner, in this same way: for Ezekiel also used the word ื—ืคืฅ [to delight in, take pleasure in, or desire], by which is signified, not simply to wish, but to acquiesce to some thing, to take delight in, to desire.โ€ โ€”Daniel Chamier, Panstratia Catholica, vol. 3, digital ed., p. 149, English trans. accessed through The Faith Received (Mere Orthodoxy)
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โ€œEven the popular apologist James White sounds Hyper-Calvinist in casting doubt on the idea of โ€˜a desire on Godโ€™s part that every single person come to repentance,โ€™ alluding to 2 Peter 3:9 [in White, ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜—๐˜ฐ๐˜ต๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ณโ€™๐˜ด ๐˜๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ, 147โ€“148].โ€ Curt Daniel, ๐˜๐˜บ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ-๐˜Š๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ฎ: ๐˜๐˜ต๐˜ด ๐˜๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜บ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ญ๐˜ฐ๐˜จ๐˜บ (Founders Press, 2026), 234. Hint: Itโ€™s more than a mere sound. ๐Ÿ˜‰
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Davenant recounts Maccovius being brought before the synod for allegedly denying God wills the salvation of all men, and for positing God ordains men unto sin: โ€œMaccovius was upon a by-occasion brought before the Synod; and the business between him and Lubbertus was committed to the examination of some few Delegates, according to whose report he was dismissed. Unto the objection of ordaining men unto sin, his answer was that God did not ordain any man unto sin efficiendo [by effecting it], but permittendo [by permitting it]. As for his denial of a will in God for the saving of all men, he understood it of the absolute effectual operative will, not of the conditional and approbative will of God.โ€ โ€”John Davenant, Animadversions upon a Treatise Entitled, Godโ€™s Love to Mankind (Cambridge: Roger Daniel, 1641)
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๐•ฝ๐–Š๐–‹๐–”๐–—๐–’๐–Š๐–‰ ๐•ฝ๐–Š๐–™๐–—๐–Ž๐–Š๐–›๐–†๐–‘ ๐Ÿ•Š๏ธ retweeted
To those who interpret โ€œall menโ€ in 1 Timothy 2:1โ€“4 as referring to every class or kind of men: Have you sat down today, identified every conceivable class of humanity, and prayed specifically for each class of men?
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โ€œChrist, therefore, our Surety, by yielding the exact obedience which the law demanded, and undergoing the punishment which was required from violators of the law, did that to which we were bound by this hand-writing, and so blotted out the hand writing itself. For, as says Augustine, shedding his blood without sin, he blotted out the hand-writing of all sin. Christ was made under the law, that he might redeem them that were under the law, Gal. iv. 4, 5. But it must be observed, that this hand-writing may be said to be blotted out in two ways: First, universally and sufficiently as it respects God: because by the blood of Christ such satisfaction is made to God, that he cannot require that hand-writing of the law from any debtors, when they flee by faith to this Deliverer; but according to the order of his own justice is necessarily engaged to acquit them. Secondly, particularly and efficaciously, when, in fact, it is blotted from the conscience of all believers who lay hold on Christ by faith; according to that declaration of the Apostle, Being justified by faith we have peace with God. But, truly, he cannot have peace who sees himself overwhelmed with debt, and, moreover, entangled by a bond: but as soon as any one takes hold of Christ by faith, thenceforth this hand-writing is blotted out, and his conscience enjoys a blessed peace. And Paul in the most admirable manner hath provided for trembling consciences by a certain beautiful gradation. For, not content with having asserted in the foregoing verse, that all our sins are forgiven us; he subjoins, that the hand-writing itself is blotted out: but lest any one should think that it is not so blotted out, but that a new charge may be raised, he therefore adds, it is moreover taken out of the way: and lest it should be thought to be preserved hidden somewhere, and may be preferred against us hereafter; nay, says he, it is nailed to his cross, i.e. it is torn and rent in pieces by those nails wherewith Christ was affixed, and lacerated upon the cross.โ€ โ€”John Davenant, An Exposition of the Epistle of St. Paul to the Colossians, trans. Josiah Allport, vol. 1 (London: Hamilton, Adams, and Co., 1831), 465โ€“66.
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Theologians like Turretin, Spanheim, et al., give a horrendous treatment of the will of God. Their formulations introduce unnecessary difficulties and tensions that render the doctrine a contradictory mess. There are far better treatments within the Reformed tradition itself. I would recommend reading theologians such as Robert Baron, Barthold Holtzfus, and Jean Daillรฉ, whose accounts offer a more coherent understanding of the divine will and its various distinctions.
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โ€œFourthly, the Will of God is distinguished into antecedent and consequent; for this distinction to be understood; something can in its first consideration, i.e., as it is considered absolutely, be Good, which however when considered with some adjunct (which is indeed a consequent consideration of it) behaves in the contrary way; thus a Prince considering his citizens, absolutely and as they are citizens, wills the salvation of them all; but considering a certain citizen as a murderer, wills his death: similarly God is said to will certain things according to the first and bare consideration of things, as e.g. He wills the salvation of all Men by this antecedent will; but He is said to will certain things consequently, i.e., by a will by which things are considered with their adjuncts, as e.g. the eternal death of impious Men. And although God, when He considers Men as they are Men, does not predestine them to eternal punishment, yet when He considers them as they are sinners, i.e., as they have fallen in Adam, He can justly prepare eternal punishment for them and will to punish them eternally by this consequent will.โ€ โ€” Robert Baron, General and Special Metaphysics, Section XII, Disputation II
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Jean Daillรฉ addresses Spanheimโ€™s absurd objection that God commands obedience without truly desiring it, an argument illustrated by the case of Pharaoh, whom God commanded to release Israel while supposedly not willing that Pharaoh should obey Him. Daillรฉ rejects this inference, arguing that God genuinely willed Pharaohโ€™s obedience according to his preceptive and approbative will, even though he permissibly decreed to leave Pharaoh to his own hardness. Daillรฉ explains that Godโ€™s hardening of Pharaoh is understood permissively, that is, as his deliberate refusal to soften Pharaohโ€™s heart and overcome his resistance. But Godโ€™s willing to harden Pharaoh in this sense does not entail that he was unwilling that Pharaoh should release Israel, as he himself commanded. It only signifies that God, though willing Pharaohโ€™s obedience according to his approbative will, nevertheless permitted him to persist in his own hardness rather than soften his heart, while providentially ordering that very disobedience toward the manifestation of His glory and the benefit of His people. The essential distinction is between willing to permit disobedience and willing the disobedience itself. God may knowingly and freely permit men to act contrary to what he genuinely wills and commands, without thereby approving or desiring their disobedience. So Godโ€™s permissive decree does not negate his genuine approbative will that men obey him, nor does their disobedience imply that his decree has been frustrated. Nor must every genuine divine volition be an absolute and efficacious will that God infallibly brings to pass. To insist that God cannot genuinely will something unless He decrees to effectuate it is merely to assume what must first be demonstrated. Thus, while Godโ€™s preceptive and approbative will may be crossed by the disobedience of men, it is crossed only insofar as God has freely decreed to permit such disobedience. Consequently, His decretive will is never frustrated, for His decree to permit men to act contrary to His revealed will is itself infallibly fulfilled, just as everything else He has absolutely decreed to accomplish. The violation of His preceptive will, therefore, does not entail the frustration of His decretive will, nor does the infallibility of the latter negate the sincerity of the former.
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This equivocates on the divine will. Certainly, whatever God absolutely decrees to accomplish must infallibly occur. But does God genuinely will that men obey his commandments and abstain from sin? Surely he does. Yet men continually disobey him. Does their disobedience prove that God never genuinely willed their obedience? Or that his will has been frustrated? Neither follows. Godโ€™s precepts express what he truly wills men to do, even when he permissively decrees to allow them to act contrary to what he wills and commands. Likewise, God may genuinely will the salvation of all men according to his antecedent and revealed/approbative will, while decreeing to allow men to resist his grace, reject Christ, and perish through their own unbelief. Thus, Godโ€™s permissive decree does not negate his genuine will concerning what he permits men to reject. Many hypers assume that every genuine divine volition must be an absolute, efficacious decree. But that needs to be demonstrated.
God does not will what He fails to accomplish, rather, He accomplishes all that He wills. Therefore, He does not will the salvation of every individual person or else every individual person would be saved.
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1 Tim 2:1-4 is not referring to some men from every class. And taking the โ€œall menโ€ at face value does not require us to pull out a phone book, as some silly people say, and pray for every single individual. To suggest one must do this is to miss Paulโ€™s point. As Chamier argued, โ€œPray for Nero, because God wills some emperors to be savedโ€ is no sufficient rationale for praying for Nero himself. Paulโ€™s point is that we may pray for particular persons because God wills the salvation of those very persons. We may therefore pray for any individual, regardless of his rank or station, not merely because God wills to save some men from every class of men, but because he genuinely wills the salvation of the individuals for whom we pray.
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โ€œBefore true Conversion all unregenerate persons do resist the gracious means and preparations to their Conversion, the Reprobate finally, the Elect for a time, till Grace become victorious in their perfect Sanctification.โ€ โ€”William Pemble, Vindiciรฆ Gratiรฆ: A Plea for Grace, More Especially the Grace of Faith (London: Printed by R. Young for I. Bartlet, 1627) 154; lightly modernized.
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Itโ€™s not. All Calvinists affirm that grace is resistible. What they deny is that the elect will resist grace when God powerfully draws them to Christ.
The Leiden theologians on Resistible Grace. โ€œIn the seventh Paragraph the Remonstrants teach that man can spurn and reject divine grace, and resist its operation; Which we willingly concede, and therefore there was no need for them to prove it so laboriously. For whether we look at the external grace of the Gospel, which is called the ministry of the Spirit, 2 Cor. 3, or also the internal operations of the Holy Spirit by which he convicts the mind of man of the truth of the Gospel and of his duty, we confess that man can resist this operation of grace, and therefore can render himself unfit for believing and for obeying the divine will, when he is divinely called to faith and obedience, and that by his own fault, and that a true one, and one that is vincible by the same grace, if the man did not hold that grace back in unrighteousness, which all men left to themselves do, as the Apostle testifies, Rom. 1:18 & 3:10 ff.โ€ โ€”The Leiden Theologians cited by Barthold Holtzfus in Tractatus Theologicus de Prรฆdestinatione, Electione & Reprobatione Hominum
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โ€œHence the Scholastics, Thomas Aquinas, Bonaventure, Scotus, Durandus, Richard, Ockham, Gregory of Rimini, Hervaeus, Biel, and the more recent writers, both Thomists and Scotists, as also Greeks and Protestants, received and employed the distinction of the Divine Will into Antecedent and Consequent, not in the sense that God, His former Will having been changed, should form another Will, and that the Will of God should be one Antecedent in time and another Consequent in time; for this would involve a change of counsel and consequently imperfection; but because the Antecedent Will precedes the consideration of voluntary unbelief, impenitence, and contumacy, God therefore seriously wills, out of natural Goodness and Mercy, the salvation, under the condition of Faith and Repentance, of men rendered miserable in Adam; whereas the Consequent Will follows the consideration of voluntary unbelief, impenitence, and contumacy, and consequently of contempt for offered Grace, and, out of Justice, wills and executes the punishment deserved by man. Hence it is also called Judicial. Here no change whatever occurs in the Will of God. Thomas Aquinas observes that this distinction is not to be understood from the standpoint of the Divine Will itself, in which there is nothing prior or subsequent, but from the standpoint of the things willed; and he explains it by an analogy drawn from a just judge: a just judge antecedently wills every man to live, but consequently wills a murderer to be hanged; similarly, God antecedently wills every man to be saved, but consequently wills some to be damned, according to the demand of His justice.โ€ โ€”Barthold Holtzfus, On Godโ€™s Attributes and Divine Decrees
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