Matt

Ben, do you truly believe what you've written? The person filming refers to Israeli's in the clip. You then frame it as all Jews. It's astonishingly irresponsible/deceptive. As for claims made in the video about Israeli attitudes and global perception - two surveys below.

Obfuscation. Gvir/ Smotrich are horrendous but not extremist figures in Israel. 82% of Jewish Israeli's support the total ethnic cleansing of Gaza as reported in Israeli media. The FT itself covered a poll showing 50% of the same group wanted to expell all Arabs back in 2016.

@CCavanman @antisemitism

The question for Europe is why? The US wants peace, regardless of the cost to Ukraine and Europe because the US wants to take over Ukrainian resources, just as they did with Iraq. The same US officials responsible for Iraq were involved with Ukraine from the start in 2014.

Europe gave away almost its entire software and then internet economies with devastating economic effects and dependency risks, should we repeat the same with AI? The US CLOUD Act allows the US unilateral access to information on US servers. Is Claude running MI6 OK??

Let's assume AI systems will underpin much of the functioning of the state in the near future. What's your view on Europea allowing US companies to form part of that structure given that the US CLOUD Act would allow US authorities to access European data unilaterally?

Americans have been dying earlier than other wealthy countries for decades. China took over the economic top spot years ago and leads in virtually all technology development sectors.

Israel introduced the Basic Law (see below) eight years ago. If the UK government introduced a law that said Christians, and only Christians, had the right to national self determination in the UK, would you call it a democracy or apartheid? LBC is increasingly absurd.

@betorn @shellenberger

Your view is that a continent should sit back and ignore when a foreign nation publishes a National Security report that says the below? Europe will decide its own trajectory. It's not for the Trump admin to actively work to intervene to change our trajectory.

The victims should be remembered. Their families ask for investigations. Netanyahu blocks them. Many in Israel accuse the gov of prior knowledge. Many, including IDF witnesses and videos say Israel killed many of their own. What's your view of the families appeals?

The evidence was at the beginning of this thread. The UN had an official policy of naming Zionism as racism for many years in the 70s and 80s. Amnesty International labelled Israel an apartheid state years ago. There'sfar more that your indoctrination will stop you accepting.

Another example of why Zionism is racism, and worse, it is Neo Nazism. Endless studies have shown Nazism overwhelmingly propagandised millions of Germans by relentlessly focusing their minds on their victimhood post ww1. Zionism has always done the same.

The first Israeli PM said the below. Other early Zionists said and did similar and worse. Including blocking Jews escaping Nazism. There's is history to explore but it certainly doesn't show Zionism as a kind project to Jews. And far far worse to non Jews of course.

If the UK government copied the 2018 Israeli Basic Law (see below), and said it was the exclusive right of Christians, and Christians only, to have self determination in the UK, could it be argued that the policy was racist?

Hadley, do you disagree with every aspect of the motion? On the racist claim, if the UK government introduced a 2018 style Israeli Basic Law that said self determination in the UK was exclusive to Christians, would other groups in the UK have an argument to call it racist?

I think the motion should have had some amendments. But on the overall argument that Zionism is racism, would the New Statesman argue against it? The 2018 Israeli Nation State law is the very definition of racism. Self determination for one group only in a land of many.

Perhaps if you dismiss the desires of the Israeli families killed that day, you might deem it important to fully understand what happened given that it has and continues to be cited countless times as justification for 10s of thousands of Palestinian deaths?

Do you prefer this article from YNet in Israel? Excerpt below. The families of those killed that day demand answers, is that reasonable? Or do you prefer the Israeli gov approach to refuse investigations into the events of Oct 7th? ynet.co.il/news/article/yokr…

@NJA_UK @dlLambo