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Possibly the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. SpaceX and Starlink are opening our eyes to the universe.
Woah, @Carvana is buying up Stelantis dealerships and selling new @Chrysler @Dodge @Jeep @RamTrucks. One step towards fixing the horrible legacy OEM dealership experience.
Other things I learned today: Wranglers cost up to $107,000!
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As usual, all the usual caveats apply and will be listed at the bottom of the post.
1) The new Panasonic 2170 cell is expected to have 40% faster charging speeds.
I wasn't provided detail about whether that means from, for example, 0-100% or like 10-80%.
Furthermore, the charging speed would of course also be dependent on the power of the Supercharger.
However, on that note...
2) There are internal campaigns within Tesla to look at upgrading the V2 (150kW) Supercharger cabinets and posts.
The goal is to put everything in a box with instructions and ship them out to contractors.
To be clear, the campaigns are LOOKING at upgrading the V2 Superchargers. Nothing has been greenlit yet.
So, in my view, we shouldn't expect to see anything this year, or maybe even next year. 2027?
3) Back to the details on the Panasonic 2170:
a) Tesla is working on getting these new 2170s into production with Panasonic at Giga Nevada by next fall.
Given that there are always delays with all things battery-related, I'm hoping we'll see these in vehicles sometime in 2027.
That would align nicely if they upgrade the V2 Superchargers in 2027 as well.
b) The carbon nanotubes mentioned in the post below will be used in both the cathode and anode.
This will help with charging speed by improving conductivity and also help slightly with energy density because nanotubes take up less space than the typical carbon black used to provide conductivity in the cathode and anode.
c) The cell is expected to be 19.2 Wh. It's not clear whether that's nominal or useable energy density.
The current 2170 has 18.6 Wh nominal and 17.6 usable.
That is, we can expect an energy density increase of between 3-9%.
If this cell is geared for faster charging speeds, my inclination would be to expect the 3% energy density/range improvement.
I would be VERY surprised if they were able to get a 40% charging speed boost and 9% more energy density/range.
d) The cell is expected to have longer cycle life. No specifics on how much longer. I'd guess an incremental improvement, like 100-200 cycles, which won't be noticeable to most people.
e) It's going to use an NCMA formula. That should slightly reduce cobalt usage and help improve the cycle life mentioned in d).
f) The cells will cost Tesla the same as the current cells.
CAVEATS!
1) These are leaks/rumors, which means they should be taken with a grain of salt.
However, the source has proven to be reliable so far and no information that the person has given me to date is been disproven.
And, none of what I mentioned above is 'out there.' It's all things that can reasonably be expected.
The 2170 is VERY overdue for an upgrade and the technologies listed above are on most battery makers roadmaps. And, the V2 Superchargers are long in the tooth/outdated.
2) Both the 2170 cell improvements and supercharger upgrades are likely at least a year away. A lot can change within a year at Tesla!
The cell upgrades will be particularly difficult. The last time they upgraded the cells at Giga Nevada, they ran into issues and delays.
Pull up a chair, I've got some tea☕🔋
A reliable anonymous source has told me some interesting information about the Panasonic 2170 produced at Giga Nevada:
1) Tesla is working with Panasonic on a new version of the 2170.
a) In conjunction with the cell can supplier, they intend to thin out the cell can of the 2170 in the same way that they did with the 4680.
For the 4680 thinning out the cell can added about 20 Wh/kg, or about 8% of the 11% energy density increase we see between the Gen 1 and Gen 2 4680.
I doubt the same will happen with the 2170, but a conservative guess would be a 5% energy density increase, bringing the 2170 up from about 273 Wh/kg 287 Wh/kg
If they did manage an 8% increase, it would mean about 295 Wh/kg. I think this is unlikely, but worth mentioning.
Either way, thinning out the cell can seems reasonable and plausible.
The Gen 1 4680 had the same hoop stress capacity as the current Panasonic 2170. They put the Gen 1 on a diet to create the Gen 2 4680, and so it only makes sense to put the 2170 on a diet too.
b) They are looking at using carbon nanotubes in the new version of the 2170.
As I said in my video on the topic, the effect on energy density and charge speed of using carbon nanotubes in the 2170 is heavily dependent on where they are used, the quantity, and the type (single- vs multi-wall carbon nanotubes)
At minimum I'd expect slightly faster charging speeds (maybe 10% faster) and maybe a 1% energy density increase.
Possible, but less likely is that the carbon nanotubes, combined with silicon, add another 5% energy density increase and much faster charge rates or higher charge rates (325 kW vs 250kW?)
BYD is already using carbon nanotubes in their batteries, so using carbon nanotubes and I think the whole industry is moving in this direction.
They're expensive, but the fact that they provide such huge benefits for a given weight, adding them will at most cost about $1/kWh.
That is, carbon nanotubes make sense and aren't far fetched.
c) These new cells are currently being cycle tested and they're working on tooling in Japan.
So, it's probably at least 1 year away, probably more like 2 years before we'd see these in a vehicle?
Either way, if all of that is true, the next version of the Panasonic 2170 could be around 300 Wh/kg and provide 5-10% (8% being likely all things considered) or additional range.
That would mean 20-40 miles of additional range (depending on the trim, etc).
2) Giga Nevada has stabilized the past few years at a run rate of around 6.25 million cells per day, which is an annual run rate of around 40 GWh/yr.
Given the ups and downs due to factors like vehicle refreshes in the past couple of years, they've accumulated a stockpile of hundreds of millions of cells.
That is, probably at least 2-3 weeks' worth of backlog, maybe more than 4 weeks?
So currently, based on that information, they're definitely not cell constrained for EV batteries cells in the U.S.
I'll be interested to see how that changes later this year (soon hopefully) as they ramp "more affordable models."
3) As a final note, this source has been reliable in the past.
That doesn't guarantee the information above is all correct or will come to pass.
But as I said, it all sounds reasonable and likely from a technical perspective.
It's very rare, maybe once every 1-2 years, that I get 'inside' information, and when I do, I share it as quickly as possible. 🤠
My first post in 6 months just to say that I’ve heard Chamath has an extremely bullish position on $TSLA. (I’m not sure if this means leveraged or derivatives, but he’s a gambler).
He is very close to E and knows more than us mortals.
Not financial advice.
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I'm glad the retail portion is longer than the analyst portion.
It appears the curtains are finally closing on @nikolamotor. Bankrupty is imminent. I bought puts. Not financial advice.
Nikola CEO Leaves as EV Maker Prepares to File for Bankruptcy, report — EV $NKLA via @EV_carba
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I just paid a world record price of $500 each for shares of $TSLA ($400k total, on margin)
The dark side of selling puts.
But these are going to look so cheap in 5 years when Tesla 10x.
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We're hiring across many tracks for Optimus AI:
* RL for learned locomotion and manipulation
* foundation models
* 3D understanding
Our goal is to make 1000s of robots doing useful things before the end of 2025. If that's something you'd be excited about, apply to ts.la/optimus-jobs
Optimus can now walk on highly variable ground using neural nets to control its electric limbs.
Join @Tesla if you want to work on interesting real-world AI systems.
Remember 2 years ago when ValueAnalyst1 hyped his solo Tesla space and he said:
“Most $TSLA investors will find my announcement more exciting than Battery Day”
He teased he would share some not currently public knowledge.
It turned out to be click bait
👀
Most $TSLA investors will find my announcement more exciting than Battery Day: nitter.gq/i/spaces/1mnGeRyOpjqJX
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Fatal accidents are tragic - we aim to avoid them, safety 1st. This math is incorrect - crash test data is real; Teslas are among the safest cars. Maybe a bad denominator in the per mile calc, by end 2022, US MY miles driven >7B, M3 ~19B. iSeecars=clickbait - not safety regulator
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