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There was a big debate in the Discord yesterday about edges and EV. It's easy to cross ideas because we don't have the right words to describe everything. But my take is... To know if you have EV, you have to know the true price of a market. There are only two ways to know the true price 1. You are God 2. Or you have a reliable, tested way to calculate it Since we can rule out 1. We need to find ways to estimate it. Some people do it with models. Other people find a benchmark (that is backed by enough data to show it's true). Ultimately, you need to base the calculation off some understanding of true price. Our top down EV tries to estimate true price, but that is not perfect (which is way I advocate flat staking over kelly). That's why we make sure to track all the edges actually exist. I'm sure there may be some other ways, but these are the ones I know. --- This does not mean it is the only way to bet. There are so many people here who make a lot of money without using any of the above mentioned techniques. You can be extremely succesful using bottom-up techniques. But it's not the same EV as we have discussed above. It's a different way to bet and find value. Often the best way to describe value between two numbers is percentage difference. This is not always EV%. It's can sometimes just be a percentage. It's the best way to explain the difference between two numbers. On Betsniper, we have tools that try to calculate actual EV. But we also have other tools that try to value bets from a bottoms-up perspective. These are not the same and should never be interpreted as the same. We try and make this very clear, but often I see people getting confused. There is no right way to bet. You do what's best for you. But I think it's important to be clear about what you are doing vs not.